WandererSkyLight
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Im with you on that
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Effectively a permanent ban.
Again -you are criticising some whose boots you aren't fit to lace in terms of contributing to the forum.
WandererSkyLight
Amateur Rider
I can't see a coloration between reputation and randomly cussing people out for no reason. Also I don't bet often, also I dont even watch Racing TV or RTE racing
Are you out first sockpuppet account.
Disappointing post -this is a forum for adults who follow horse racing -most of whom like a bet.The language here is salty at worst. I spend a certain amount of time sitting in Churches and I see very little here that offends me.
Ian_Davies
Conditional
I've been told my idea of the best handicapped horse (Conyers Hill) wouldn't get 3m1f on Heavy in the proverbial, Will Do will stay, but how quickly is moot - I'll probably just follow you in tbh, this is your sort of race!Anyone else with any idea, who's gonna win the race ?
Robicheaux
Apprentice
Me + my friends call each other c...s most of the time. It's like a term of endearment.
Then again. We're all from Leeds.
Then again. We're all from Leeds.
WandererSkyLight
Amateur Rider
well yeah I swear and holler all the time to my mates. But Im not going to tell a random new member to "F*** off"Me + my friends call each other c...s most of the time. It's like a term of endearment.
Then again. We're all from Leeds.
Desert Orchid
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I agree with nearly all of that, Luke, but there still have to be lines that shouldn't be crossed and I'm only being consistent - at least I think I am - in regard to this issue. I've used strong language on here myself, usually an indication pf frustration at what's happening in a race or whatever, but I genuinely do not like to see it used directly at someone. It's so unnecessary.
Slim is more than intelligent enough to find some other way of putting someone down, as are most people on here.
Generous1991
Amateur Rider
Surely the people who run this forum are entitled to set some rules about conduct and to do their best to enforce them. In fact, they're bound to - unmoderated forums are normally hellholes.
If they in good faith decide someone should be suspended, that's the end of the story.
I'm making no criticism of Slim, as far as I could see what he said was meant to be a joke and was probably posted after a drink or two. But that doesn't matter, as long as you accept that the guy who made the decision was trying reasonably to enforce some reasonable standard. He can't get it right in everyone's eyes every time.
And if anyone thinks my opinion is worthless because I have been here less than a year and haven't tipped you a winner, you're welcome to ignore this post.
Danny
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Firstly I popped back in as someone messaged me to say Slim had been banned for calling me a C**t and me being me was like what the devil did I do I haven't even been on there. So the first thing I'd say is it wouldn't have bothered me in the slightest I'm all for freedom of speech and sticks and stones philosophy. And before I go any further I quite like Slim.
It's very rare I'd disagree with you Luke but I think you're wrong having a pop at a new member just on the basis that he's fairly new and saying that as such his opinion doesn't count. He's also probably our youngest member and as far as forum longevity amongst a bunch of old farts such as us, his opinion may be more valid than most . Bar commenting that telling new members to f%*& off and calling people cunts every other word is fairly, at the very least strange if not generally frowned upon I can't see as he's actually one of the ones who was offended by it he has just shrugged it off and carried on regardless and probably labelled Slim as a bit of a weirdo.
Is it us or him ? He's banned from everywhere isn't he ? I get it, it's this "ICY persona" at what price? His tips on here mean nothing to me I find the amount of praise he gets in comparison to others on here triggers my gag reflex. But that's what self promotion can bring. I don't care if he's been quoted by RTV, I couldn't give a shit whether he's been a pro punter for however many years, I used to Squat and deadlift around 400lbs these days I struggle to carry the shopping to the car, I had years where I've cleared 30k profit betting in the main in 50's and 100's these days i'd be lucky to break even. What's in the past is in the past and "remember when" is the lowest form of conversation. At the end of the day what's he doing now ? Most recently he proved that although doing well himself that Reet was actually outperforming him on his own thread. As for knowledge of form himself he'd be behind plenty here, I reckon as I'd said there would be a huge differential between what he comes up with himself and what he draws from his networking of others ( Not that that isn't a talent in its own right). I don't see pages of thank you Reet when he puts up a winner he might get half a dozen. We have the likes of yourself and Treff who don't put up many bets but when either of you do they are never far from the mark, The likes of Ian, Euro and Reet who regularly put up winners. I haven't taken that much notice of new members but from just a quick scan the What are you backing today thread Wee man put up 11/2 and 16/1 winners in the same day and barely got a nod of approval from anywhere. Last time Outsider tracked his bets over a year he finished massively up. We're not short of people who put winners. There are probably plenty more not mentioned.
So when I say at what price and that I don't give a shit about Slims tips or anyone elses for that matter as I've never needed a golden tit to cling to what I will say is he could be a giant loss to a forum. I've loved reading his Substacks he has a real talent for writing. It's not just that but in general he does have things that are really worth saying his knowledge of markets, betting in general and sometimes he's more privvy to what's going on behind the scenes makes him an interesting guy all round.
You say that what is in effect a permanent ban ? Is that because you think he'd never be able to reign it in ? I found it very strange as to why Slim came back onto here in the first place what's in it for him ? Why do most of us post on a forum ? I'd suggest in the main to feel part of a group. People who talk the same strange language, of lengths, handicaps, furlongs, ground and prices. If you want to be part of the group then usually the group and the whole group decides what what counts as fair play. If Slim decides not to return that's down to him, some will be bothered, some more than others whilst I dare say some will say good riddance. But if the price to be paid is not saying the word C**T or telling new members to f%*& off or even not belittling other posters then it's not a huge price to pay for being in the group or for that matter in any group. If you're banned from every platform it's pretty isolating and you could puff your chest out and say i don't care if I'm banned, but if you don't care if you're banned why did you sign up in the first place? The funny side of it is when belittling members on here I dare say there are a number of members who could show him a pound for every penny he has but you wouldn't know because they don't need to rub it in peoples faces, people in general that live amazing lives but again don't need to show it off or belittle him. Also lets imagine that one of these new members who signs up is the most knowledgeable horse racing pundit ever known (after Ian of course ) and Slim tells him to f%*& off. New member thinks to himself what the bloody hell is this and never posts again. What if the new member is the next Walsworth full of comedic genius that makes members laugh every day. There's always a hidden cost to slamming a door in someones face.
Telling people to f%*& off and calling people cunts may have some sort of comedic effect maybe only for the right audience, but it seems to. But for how long ? How many times is it funny ? Sometimes in order to move forward in life you have to let some old parts of you die off. My opinion it for what its worth ( and for which he'd probably tell me to f%*& off and call me a c***) Is perhaps it's time to let the Icy persona die off. It's only really setting him back. He has something special, a gift with writing and ways of saying things and things that need saying but he's limiting his audience and his own potential by being a daft prick.
Hope you're all well and winning. I might return myself in the spring if you'll have me
WandererSkyLight
Amateur Rider
Welcome Back Danny!!Firstly I popped back in as someone messaged me to say Slim had been banned for calling me a C**t and me being me was like what the devil did I do I haven't even been on there. So the first thing I'd say is it wouldn't have bothered me in the slightest I'm all for freedom of speech and sticks and stones philosophy. And before I go any further I quite like Slim.
It's very rare I'd disagree with you Luke but I think you're wrong having a pop at a new member just on the basis that he's fairly new and saying that as such his opinion doesn't count. He's also probably our youngest member and as far as forum longevity amongst a bunch of old farts such as us, his opinion may be more valid than most . Bar commenting that telling new members to f%*& off and calling people cunts every other word is fairly, at the very least strange if not generally frowned upon I can't see as he's actually one of the ones who was offended by it he has just shrugged it off and carried on regardless and probably labelled Slim as a bit of a weirdo.
Is it us or him ? He's banned from everywhere isn't he ? I get it, it's this "ICY persona" at what price? His tips on here mean nothing to me I find the amount of praise he gets in comparison to others on here triggers my gag reflex. But that's what self promotion can bring. I don't care if he's been quoted by RTV, I couldn't give a shit whether he's been a pro punter for however many years, I used to Squat and deadlift around 400lbs these days I struggle to carry the shopping to the car, I had years where I've cleared 30k profit betting in the main in 50's and 100's these days i'd be lucky to break even. What's in the past is in the past and "remember when" is the lowest form of conversation. At the end of the day what's he doing now ? Most recently he proved that although doing well himself that Reet was actually outperforming him on his own thread. As for knowledge of form himself he'd be behind plenty here, I reckon as I'd said there would be a huge differential between what he comes up with himself and what he draws from his networking of others ( Not that that isn't a talent in its own right). I don't see pages of thank you Reet when he puts up a winner he might get half a dozen. We have the likes of yourself and Treff who don't put up many bets but when either of you do they are never far from the mark, The likes of Ian, Euro and Reet who regularly put up winners. I haven't taken that much notice of new members but from just a quick scan the What are you backing today thread Wee man put up 11/2 and 16/1 winners in the same day and barely got a nod of approval from anywhere. Last time Outsider tracked his bets over a year he finished massively up. We're not short of people who put winners. There are probably plenty more not mentioned.
So when I say at what price and that I don't give a shit about Slims tips or anyone elses for that matter as I've never needed a golden tit to cling to what I will say is he could be a giant loss to a forum. I've loved reading his Substacks he has a real talent for writing. It's not just that but in general he does have things that are really worth saying his knowledge of markets, betting in general and sometimes he's more privvy to what's going on behind the scenes makes him an interesting guy all round.
You say that what is in effect a permanent ban ? Is that because you think he'd never be able to reign it in ? I found it very strange as to why Slim came back onto here in the first place what's in it for him ? Why do most of us post on a forum ? I'd suggest in the main to feel part of a group. People who talk the same strange language, of lengths, handicaps, furlongs, ground and prices. If you want to be part of the group then usually the group and the whole group decides what what counts as fair play. If Slim decides not to return that's down to him, some will be bothered, some more than others whilst I dare say some will say good riddance. But if the price to be paid is not saying the word C**T or telling new members to f%*& off or even not belittling other posters then it's not a huge price to pay for being in the group or for that matter in any group. If you're banned from every platform it's pretty isolating and you could puff your chest out and say i don't care if I'm banned, but if you don't care if you're banned why did you sign up in the first place? The funny side of it is when belittling members on here I dare say there are a number of members who could show him a pound for every penny he has but you wouldn't know because they don't need to rub it in peoples faces, people in general that live amazing lives but again don't need to show it off or belittle him. Also lets imagine that one of these new members who signs up is the most knowledgeable horse racing pundit ever known (after Ian of course ) and Slim tells him to f%*& off. New member thinks to himself what the bloody hell is this and never posts again. What if the new member is the next Walsworth full of comedic genius that makes members laugh every day. There's always a hidden cost to slamming a door in someones face.
Telling people to f%*& off and calling people cunts may have some sort of comedic effect maybe only for the right audience, but it seems to. But for how long ? How many times is it funny ? Sometimes in order to move forward in life you have to let some old parts of you die off. My opinion it for what its worth ( and for which he'd probably tell me to f%*& off and call me a c***) Is perhaps it's time to let the Icy persona die off. It's only really setting him back. He has something special, a gift with writing and ways of saying things and things that need saying but he's limiting his audience and his own potential by being a daft prick.
Hope you're all well and winning. I might return myself in the spring if you'll have me
Ian_Davies
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Why have I "loved" Danny's post?
Because it's the most cogent counter-argument to my view I've read here by a distance and, well, it's Danny, innit?
Just great to see him back on here and making a post - even if it might be spring until the next one.
And I do have to say, like Danny, I have to smile when I put up winners at 45/1, 40/1, 40/1, 33/1 etc (plus a five and a half grand Trifecta ffs), apparently they're not proper "professional" bets and it's some 11/4 to 9/4 winner that really counts and sends the groupies into raptures.
There's more than a touch of "The Emperor's New Clothes" on the web - not just here - sometimes and in gauging someone's so-called "Betting CV" ask yourself who actually owns their home outright and who has reached middle age and is still renting (I paid my first mortgage off in my 30s, an event not entirely unconnected with landing a Tote Jackpot rollover from Cheltenham at Lingfield Park - another guesser's fluke, no doubt, I've been hearing bitter jealous bollocks like that for over 40 years).
But, tbh, I'm not really into "Who's Got The Biggest ****?" contests - it doesn't put any more money in my pocket - so I let all that nonsense pass without comment most of the time.
But nonsense is what it is - you can be sure of that.
Because it's the most cogent counter-argument to my view I've read here by a distance and, well, it's Danny, innit?
Just great to see him back on here and making a post - even if it might be spring until the next one.
And I do have to say, like Danny, I have to smile when I put up winners at 45/1, 40/1, 40/1, 33/1 etc (plus a five and a half grand Trifecta ffs), apparently they're not proper "professional" bets and it's some 11/4 to 9/4 winner that really counts and sends the groupies into raptures.
There's more than a touch of "The Emperor's New Clothes" on the web - not just here - sometimes and in gauging someone's so-called "Betting CV" ask yourself who actually owns their home outright and who has reached middle age and is still renting (I paid my first mortgage off in my 30s, an event not entirely unconnected with landing a Tote Jackpot rollover from Cheltenham at Lingfield Park - another guesser's fluke, no doubt, I've been hearing bitter jealous bollocks like that for over 40 years).
But, tbh, I'm not really into "Who's Got The Biggest ****?" contests - it doesn't put any more money in my pocket - so I let all that nonsense pass without comment most of the time.
But nonsense is what it is - you can be sure of that.
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Desert Orchid
Senior Jockey
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I was planning to hold off until the morning to back Captain Cody due to the situation with the reserves but ended up fearing a potential gamble on it so decided to take a wee bit of the 8/1. I can always top it up tomorrow at shorter if the gamble does develop and if it ends up doing an impression of a barge in a storm I can at least accept the potential loss.
Edit - one more comment re Slim: we maybe shouldn't forget that this is not a blokes-only forum and women tend to find the 'c' word much more offensive than blokes. Jinnyj has asked us more than once to cool it on the use of the word and to continue to use it, especially directly towards an individual, is to hold her views in contempt. The same goes for all the other women on here who have expressed similar reservations.
Jinnyj, Moe and Trudij, and, going back far enough, Krizon have been forum stalwarts for as long as I can remember - I think Trudij might even have been a teenager when she first came on here - and deserve every respect. I don't recall any of them directing obscenities towards anyone on here. Mind you, I wouldn't advise anyone to get on the wrong side of Krizon. In my book she'd be long odds-on to win any slanging match with Slim.
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Barnestormer
Amateur Rider
jinnyj
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Thank you Maurice. That's much appreciated.
The Fortune Teller
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Not forgetting forum member 'Redhead' who was female I think and sadly passed away due to an illness I believe.
She loved cats, I remember that much.
She loved cats, I remember that much.
Surely when we all joined TH we knew the rules and the consequences should we break the said rules.
MisterB is hardly an over zealous Moderator and I personally think that it is time we all show him the respect that he deserves especially as he only took the job on as a favour to his friends to keep the Forum going and many people reading some of the comments on here would say I don't actully need all this and walk away so be careful what you wish for.
MisterB is hardly an over zealous Moderator and I personally think that it is time we all show him the respect that he deserves especially as he only took the job on as a favour to his friends to keep the Forum going and many people reading some of the comments on here would say I don't actully need all this and walk away so be careful what you wish for.
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Calling someone c&&t or telling them to f off means nothing to me seeing it on screen, but I wouldn’t be inclined to say it to newbies cos I tend to mean it when I say it and would happily say it to their face rather than in text.
Some people here I do view as pathetic c&&ts simple as that but I just avoid interaction.
But I’d say belittling people is a no no, and a worse offense than swearing in my eyes and does actually annoy me.
The whole Slim/Icy thing I don’t get, it all seems a bit Jordan/Katey Price to me
"never needed a golden tit to cling to" is no2 compared to something said when we were at Cheltenham but it’s not for the old women on here that are inclined flutter their lace hankies etc at things you hear in many a pub.
Some people here I do view as pathetic c&&ts simple as that but I just avoid interaction.
But I’d say belittling people is a no no, and a worse offense than swearing in my eyes and does actually annoy me.
The whole Slim/Icy thing I don’t get, it all seems a bit Jordan/Katey Price to me
"never needed a golden tit to cling to" is no2 compared to something said when we were at Cheltenham but it’s not for the old women on here that are inclined flutter their lace hankies etc at things you hear in many a pub.
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Just going to jump in real quick to explain a few things since there seems to be some misunderstandings and assumptions being made here.
For those of you referring to the "powers that be", please be realistic and understand that this forum has only ONE moderator. I have been running this forum since Colin passed as a favour to him and his family. There is virtually NO monetisation of this forum. It is free to be used by anyone - no membership fees - no spam machine - nothing.
All of what makes this work, the software license, the plugin subscriptions, the servers, the images, everything you see here is provided on my dime - no one else's. Just to be clear here - I am doing quite a bit for mere thank yous and appreciations in return. And that is alright by me.
Yes it's true I ran Casinomeister's forum for 27 years - at least there I had a few moderators to assist
- but I was hands on with all member disciplinary actions (banishments, suspensions, etc.), and in my honest opinion, I did so in a very fair way.
One thing where I draw the line is when members resort to name calling, and another line in the sand is when one disrespects the forum. For me they almost go hand in hand.
Prancing around calling folks c***s and whatever might be a funny ha-ha to some, but it is not only out of line and flaming, but the public forum sinks to levels it should not be at. I am concerned that visitors (there are hundreds here daily) see that sort of nonsense and choose not to join. I should not have to explain this to any one of you.
As for Slim - I guess I should have made clear what the policies are in receiving disciplinary action. He had two major strikes - one was for his dishing out trollish remarks - the other was to try and sneak back in. So since these violations weren't fleshed out as a set of rules, that one should be on me. In fact, in order for me to manage the moderation on Talking Horses properly, the rules should be written out (like in my previous life as CM). This I will get done as soon as I can.
Another thing about being banned - I am not some dickish person going around being a dick. I have always tried to be fair - and a simple apology on a member's part is usually enough for me to strike the record clean.
So this is from the powers that be - I have asked for volunteers for moderators in the past - so far no takers. If you are familiar with Xenforo and have a decent amount of grey matter, feel free to contact me.
If you'd like to complain about what you don't like about the forum or the way I do things, please feel free to contact me just the same. Thank you.
For those of you referring to the "powers that be", please be realistic and understand that this forum has only ONE moderator. I have been running this forum since Colin passed as a favour to him and his family. There is virtually NO monetisation of this forum. It is free to be used by anyone - no membership fees - no spam machine - nothing.
All of what makes this work, the software license, the plugin subscriptions, the servers, the images, everything you see here is provided on my dime - no one else's. Just to be clear here - I am doing quite a bit for mere thank yous and appreciations in return. And that is alright by me.
Yes it's true I ran Casinomeister's forum for 27 years - at least there I had a few moderators to assist
- but I was hands on with all member disciplinary actions (banishments, suspensions, etc.), and in my honest opinion, I did so in a very fair way. One thing where I draw the line is when members resort to name calling, and another line in the sand is when one disrespects the forum. For me they almost go hand in hand.
Prancing around calling folks c***s and whatever might be a funny ha-ha to some, but it is not only out of line and flaming, but the public forum sinks to levels it should not be at. I am concerned that visitors (there are hundreds here daily) see that sort of nonsense and choose not to join. I should not have to explain this to any one of you.
As for Slim - I guess I should have made clear what the policies are in receiving disciplinary action. He had two major strikes - one was for his dishing out trollish remarks - the other was to try and sneak back in. So since these violations weren't fleshed out as a set of rules, that one should be on me. In fact, in order for me to manage the moderation on Talking Horses properly, the rules should be written out (like in my previous life as CM). This I will get done as soon as I can.
Another thing about being banned - I am not some dickish person going around being a dick. I have always tried to be fair - and a simple apology on a member's part is usually enough for me to strike the record clean.
So this is from the powers that be - I have asked for volunteers for moderators in the past - so far no takers. If you are familiar with Xenforo and have a decent amount of grey matter, feel free to contact me.
If you'd like to complain about what you don't like about the forum or the way I do things, please feel free to contact me just the same. Thank you.
barjon
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MisterB, I think I speak for the vast majority on here in thanking you for keeping TH going and for your time freely given. Without Colin it seemed that all would be lost, but you have kept the ship running sweetly. Your effort in doing so is very much appreciated.
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WandererSkyLight
Amateur Rider
You are doing a sound job mateJust going to jump in real quick to explain a few things since there seems to be some misunderstandings and assumptions being made here.
For those of you referring to the "powers that be", please be realistic and understand that this forum has only ONE moderator. I have been running this forum since Colin passed as a favour to him and his family. There is virtually NO monetisation of this forum. It is free to be used by anyone - no membership fees - no spam machine - nothing.
All of what makes this work, the software license, the plugin subscriptions, the servers, the images, everything you see here is provided on my dime - no one else's. Just to be clear here - I am doing quite a bit for mere thank yous and appreciations in return. And that is alright by me.
Yes it's true I ran Casinomeister's forum for 27 years - at least there I had a few moderators to assist
One thing where I draw the line is when members resort to name calling, and another line in the sand is when one disrespects the forum. For me they almost go hand in hand.
Prancing around calling folks c***s and whatever might be a funny ha-ha to some, but it is not only out of line and flaming, but the public forum sinks to levels it should not be at. I am concerned that visitors (there are hundreds here daily) see that sort of nonsense and choose not to join. I should not have to explain this to any one of you.
As for Slim - I guess I should have made clear what the policies are in receiving disciplinary action. He had two major strikes - one was for his dishing out trollish remarks - the other was to try and sneak back in. So since these violations weren't fleshed out as a set of rules, that one should be on me. In fact, in order for me to manage the moderation on Talking Horses properly, the rules should be written out (like in my previous life as CM). This I will get done as soon as I can.
Another thing about being banned - I am not some dickish person going around being a dick. I have always tried to be fair - and a simple apology on a member's part is usually enough for me to strike the record clean.
So this is from the powers that be - I have asked for volunteers for moderators in the past - so far no takers. If you are familiar with Xenforo and have a decent amount of grey matter, feel free to contact me.
If you'd like to complain about what you don't like about the forum or the way I do things, please feel free to contact me just the same. Thank you.
