Free Handicap

Ardross

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Lydia H made a good point about this race being allowed to wither on the vine - in 1982 when Match Winner won for Piggott, Cecil and Wildenstein ! It was worth £21,934 - that is about £60,000 in today's money - today it is worth £22,708 .

For once the trials this year do seem to have very promising fields but generally surely Racing for Change should realise that the Craven Meeting needs a serious injection of cash rather than bollocks talked about the Flat season starting on Guineas day.

Today's race was a farce - can't but think if Quadrille had made the running at a proper pace he would have won.
 
The Madrid Handicap used to be the Irish version of the Free Handicap and it too has met the same fate.
 
They should just merge the Craven and the Lincoln meetings into a 3 days meeting on Easter weekend running from Saturday until Monday over Easter weekend with Newmarket on the Sat and Sun and Doncaster on the Mon.
 
They should just merge the Craven and the Lincoln meetings into a 3 days meeting on Easter weekend running from Saturday until Monday over Easter weekend with Newmarket on the Sat and Sun and Doncaster on the Mon.

I think that is an awful idea.
 
They should try to do something decent over the easter holidays the flat is dire after the Lincoln and before Newmarket.
 
Racing's funding is the main problem here thereby the problem with prize money etc and the never ending mill of bad racing. Not often i side with Savill but Im with him here on this argument......

http://www.racingpost.com/news/hors...wn-over-funding/703064/asianracingconference/



If racing funding is from the profit of racing, we will see continue to see low prizemoney, lots more 13-14 runner handicaps and generally lots and lots more money taken out of the horse racing industry...The principle that racing is funded from punters losing their money dosent sit too well with me, I know thats how it works but the punters now given the wide choice of betting these days are turning to other sports and I for one dont blame them.....

http://www.racingpost.com/news/hors...09-figures-satisfactory/703122/international/

Meanwhile, the figs from the PMU dosent look too shabby and I know that the French dosent bet on racing half as much as we do over here.Im sure British racing will benefit so much more if the funding is from a % of racing betting turnover rather than profit made from the bookies. Whoever signed up to this deal initially, has sold Racing to the river imo..........................
 
David Redvers had a decent idea on RUK today Will - having something like the Quinte bet they have in France. One race a day, a 16-20 runner handicap and pick the first five home, play it like the lottery, buy tickets in betting shops, pubs and newsagents.
 
The main problem is difficult to fix in that the major races are bookmaker sponsored - so the powers that be need to keep them on side, the bookmakers want handicaps (a system that in itself rewards mediocrity and could be seen to promote corruption in that the worse you run the lower the weight you carry). The difference between a Class 3 and a Class 5 isn't nearly great enough:

Jump racing today there's a Class 5 at Uttoxeter worth just under £2,000 to the winner, a Class 3 at Ayr is worth just under £6,000 to the winner with the highest rated in the Ayr race running off 123 and the lowest rated in the Uttoxeter race running off 80. There's no incentive for trainers of mediocre horses to get to a higher rating - if you have a horse rated 110 you might as well spend 9 months running it down the handicap, take a £2,000 hit on prize money and guarantee a decent win by gambling the horse.

Racing itself is too corrupt - the authorities don't bother investigating too deeply as they're worried about what they'll find.
 
It needs a complete utter overhaul. This racing for change is barking up the wrong tree. For any outsiders coming in, it cost 20p to watch replays of races on the net, furthermore, any form/analysis on the RP will cost money. The RP is expensive, there are so many of these little barriers which are preventing casual onlookers into racing. When the breeder cup, come round,we can find everything we need free on the net, the same applies to races in HK. All available information needed is free.

Also the racecourse experience, why would anyone want to pay over £5 for average/bad food is beyond me, parking charges on some racecourse and the 'yobbish' behaviour on many wkend meetings.....Lastly, the Morning line dosent really work anymore, it just seems like a bunch of friends having a little jolly up every week, without saying much about anything. There are those like Thommo who has been on the gravy train for far too long, has done nothing but taken everything racing has given to him but put nothing worthwhile back into it. How can this guy talk so much rubbish when he has been in the industry for so long??? The same apply to Carson, how can be be so useless??
 
There's a lot of sense in both Stamp and Will's posts, but how Savill can come out of the woodwork and make lofty pronouncements (must be on a flying visit from his Caribe home) when Plumpton's run on a shoestring, looks like a load of potting sheds and still can't handle the crowds when it's wet, because there's nowhere to park (unless you want to be tractored in, then tractored out - or come in a 4x4), doesn't even supply its staff with foul-weather gear or any sort of uniform - pshaw! I don't think he knows where his pockets are, let alone be willing to put his hands in them to fund a modern racecourse, so his words in particular are hypocritical.

But of course there's hardly any incentive to own racehorses, given the shocking prize monies on offer, and the serious pro rata drop over the years. All costs concomitant to ownership (and breeding) have risen - all rewards for helping to keep British racing going have diminished.

It's nothing to do with 'bad' racing - it's to do with there being no money apart from Grade to Classic levels. Even Listed races haven't kept pace, pro rata, so just think how crap regular handicaps' prizes (the backbone of racing) are now.

Racing for Change is trying to address getting people to GO racing, though, Will, rather than sit at home peering into their screens or mobiles for just the betting experience. They want crowds to enjoy seeing real horses, in the flesh, rather than one-inch high pictures of them, in the hope that they'll be so impressed by their day's experience that they'll be drawn to ownership. The best way forward for that, as things stand, is to join a racecourse's or trainer's racing club and enjoy the fun of ownership without any of the pressures of sole or dual owning.

Of course, you'll get bookies/exchanges saying that they do support racing handsomely, by sponsoring entire cards: Laddies, Betdaq, Betfair, Blue Square, William Hill, etc., etc. To which yes, they do - but the cost of sponsoring an average race is perhaps £500-£1000, peanuts by their standards, and mostly done for advertising purposes (hence race titles complete with full e-mail addresses and phone numbers). But the prize money connected to those races is not even peanuts, it's so low.
 
Yes for advertising purposes, one firm has started to sponsor a lot of racing lately and are trying to get more prominance into the British market, its not because they give 2 hoots about racing. Its because they are sponsoring to try to push their shares prices up.....

Its still very hard for anyone to have bet with this firm on horse racing since an account normally gets killed within minutes.......
 
The Craven and Greenham meetings have been fascinating and shown their place they need a prize money boost that is all . A £60,000 Free Hcap for example would be a seriously targeted race again.
 
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