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Grand National
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PositionNameJockeyAgeHandicap (st-lb)SPDistance
01Red RumBrian Fletcher810-59/1¾ Length
02CrispRichard Pitman1012-09/125 Lengths
03L’EscargotTommy Carberry1012-011/1
04Spanish StepsPhilip Blacker1011-1316/1
Red Rum 2 years younger than Crisp, yet Crisp was giving him 23lbs and only lost by 3/4 length, whist L'Escargot the same age and weight as Crisp is 25 lengths back in 3rd.
Crisp what a horse.
01Red RumBrian Fletcher810-59/1¾ Length
02CrispRichard Pitman1012-09/125 Lengths
03L’EscargotTommy Carberry1012-011/1
04Spanish StepsPhilip Blacker1011-1316/1
Red Rum 2 years younger than Crisp, yet Crisp was giving him 23lbs and only lost by 3/4 length, whist L'Escargot the same age and weight as Crisp is 25 lengths back in 3rd.
Crisp what a horse.
Len Madeiros
Journeyman
The greatest GN ever, and the saddest story all rolled into one
Ian_Davies
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The Pilgarlic kept coming back for more - never won it, but will never have had an easy race and if I remember correctly (definitely not an edit!) placed more than once to reward each-way support.
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Jayhawk
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He also finished 2nd in the 1976 Topham and 4th in the 1981 Foxhunters' Chase when ridden by Nigel Twiston-Davies. Altogether he jumped 156 National-type fences which is six more than Red Rum achieved. But did he ever win a race of any note?
1973 RED RUM V CRISP
One of the very best.... Red Rum v Crisp in the 1973 Grand National Enjoy
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I was there that day, out on the course (free
), I thought Crisp had won, he was so far clear, and the loudspeaker broke down 
Ian_Davies
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"I can neither confirm nor deny that, officer."
(Caught bang to rights! The utter SHAME!)
Ian_Davies
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And best of all, you didn't throughout the race have to listen to that God-awful music they've wheeled out ever since that lousy movie.1973 RED RUM V CRISP
One of the very best.... Red Rum v Crisp in the 1973 Grand National Enjoy
I was there that day, out on the course (free
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Robicheaux
Apprentice
Greasepaint was another one, who seemed to thrive there. Placed 3 times I think.
Desert Orchid
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Yes, I think I was the only one of the clan gathering that day who didn’t back it when it won. The brothers had been on it the year before and renamed it Hedgehumper and Hedgebiter but they stuck with it.
I remember the brother immediately older than me saying straight after the first run saying, ‘Hedgehunter will win next year. He ran with the choke out the whole way there.’
Basil Pinenuts
Amateur Rider
Antony Worrall Thompson on BBC Saturday Kitchen kept telling people that "Hedge Trimmer" was a certainty for the National. Used to get wall-to-wall coverage akin to the FA Cup Final.
vikingflagship
Amateur Rider
The year Hedge Hunter came down at the last he was down for a while, we where at Aintree, my uncle had backed him and was worried and phoned us up. He was then relieved when I was then able to say he was winded and has got back up
VF x
VF x
So with the fav Iroko running in a shorter race on Saturday at Kelso, if he wins is it likely his odds will drop down to 5/1 or will they probably stay the same at 7/1 or 6/1 ?
Although I have other alternatives I prefer, I wonder if it might be an idea to make a small win only bet ?
Although I have other alternatives I prefer, I wonder if it might be an idea to make a small win only bet ?
Desert Orchid
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Was there not a shortie last year that took a complete walk on the day (apart from Nick R which went right out to 33/1)?
Basil Pinenuts
Amateur Rider
I was on course last year, and Nick Rockett was still 18/1 while 33s online. The max priced runner in the field was 50/1 and only 4 places were available... Kept my money in my pocket
Just have to shop around. On course offers different angles to go from. Plenty of bookies go after the top of the market and as a result of betting harder at the top the bigger prices aren’t as big. Ok the other hand bookies that don’t bet so hard at the top will push out the bigger priced horses to get the margins correct. You will find that the Sps returned on winners you could very easily have got a bigger price on course.
I'd say the on course bookies think that Basil Pinenuts is a bit of a pesto.
Desert Orchid
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I cannot think of a good word to say about on-course bookies, especially the further away you go from the main rails.
I can think of plenty of bad words to say about them.
I can think of plenty of bad words to say about them.
I don't really understand why Iroko is favourite, 4th last year off 10st 11lb, now due to be off 11st 1lb ?
Barnestormer
Amateur Rider
And the stable is bang out of form.
2 winners from their last 50 runners.
Robicheaux
Apprentice
Yep. No f.....ing chance. Been pissing around with him for 2 years to try + get a mark for this. Not sure of his level of ability because of it. Should've had a crack at the Gold Cup.
Basil Pinenuts
Amateur Rider
Was even more confused why he was 8/1 in December while everything else was 20/1+
Generous1991
Amateur Rider
I was at Cheltenham for the Gold Cup in 1992, and a friend asked me to put some money on Cool Ground for her. After laughing I said 'Of course'. 33/1 was freely available in the main ring before the race. The trouble was, as an impoverished youth, I was in what is now known as the Best Mate enclosure. I think the best price I could get was 18/1.
She didn't believe me when I got home and handed over her cash. She thought I had drunk half of it!
To make it worse, I had it all on The Fellow. I barely had two pennies in my pocket, apart from her winnings, but I never touched them!
