Greatest Two Mile Chasers

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1 Sprinter Sacre
2 Flyingbolt
3 Desert Orchid
4 Master Minded
5 Moscow flyer
6 Dunkirk
7 Badsworth Boy
8 Altior
9 Kauto Star
10 Viking Flagship
11 One Man
12 Pendil
13 Azertyuiop
14 Douvan
15 Pearlyman
16 Tingle Creek
17 Flagship Uberalles
18 Remittance Man
19 Fortria
20 Crisp
21 Barnbrook Again
22 Anaglogs Daughter
23 Well Chief
24 Sire De Grury
25 Voy Pur Ustedes
26 Klairon Davis
27 Martha's Son
28 Sizing Europe
29 Dudley
30 Waterloo Boy
31 Noddy's Ride
32 Simonsig
33 Un De Sceaux
34 Deep Sensation
35 Edredon Bleu
36 Skymas
37 Big Zeb
38 Direct Route
39 Twist Magic
40 Katabatic
41 Royal Relief
42 Special Tiara
43 Nickname
44 Sommersby
45 Dodging Bullets
46 Buck House
47 Finian's Rainbow
48 God's own
49 Captain Conan
50 Bobsline


Plenty of cause for debate
how come Bobsline is so far below Noddy's Ryde ?
the one time they met Bobsline came out on top

why no Inkslinger ?
Winner of Colonial Cup at 4 and the only dual Festival winner at the same Festival in 1973 when only 6, Inkslinger's other runs behind Pendil at 2m4f and 3 miles proves the Cheltenham wins were no fluke.


All in all I am delighted that God's favourite racing creatures had their month in the sun this january ; the Racing Post can get some things right also.
Featuring the bravest horses racing is one of them.
 
I know it is trivial, but Badsworth Boy and Flying Bolt were both manifestly superior to SS. And DO at #3? Seriously?
 
The Bobsline/Noddy's Ryde one is inexcusable. Did Desert Orchid beat any of the top 50 over two miles? Can't remember him beating Pearlyman. One Man wasn't a 2m, again did he beat any of the top 50 over 2 miles. How close was Lord Dorcet to making the list.
 
Some of the higher-rated horses - 2, 3, 9, 11 and 12 - were not specialist 2-milers (they used 2 miles as a stepping stone), and some were not even QMCC winners.
 
How the flying **** did Captain Conan make the list ?

Especially with the absence of horses like Sound Man and Champion Chase winner Call Equiname

Captain fcuking Conan :blink: who never won a race outside novice company
 
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Does anyone know what criteria was used to produce this list, because large parts of it are complete bollox?

And I agree. How the hell is Captain 'wood woof' Conan on there!!!

I do quite like the idea of putting together a definitive list though.
 
Hilly Way another omission.
A dual Champion Chase on contrasting ground who was a top novice hurdler in 1976 winning Fingal hurdle and Champion Novice at Punchestown the same spring. More or less a novice chaser for first Champion chase, Tommy Carmody's second Festival win on his second ride, the horse had what it took in spades.
I remember John Francome singing Crisp's praises no end in a tv interview lately, saying the horse covered ground like no other at Uplands in an era of Pendil, Bula, Killiney so that is high praise indeed.
Back to what Inkslinger did in a short career, winning Champion Chase and Cathcart Cup in 1973 which cannot be repeated ever again surely worth #49 ahead of Captain Conan !
 
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sunybay said:
you are too old:whistle:
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Ola David. You could indeed be correct.

Alternatively: it could be because I am not thinking straight because i am very worried about my hero Maduro and the neo-liberal military/industrial complex global plot to oust him.
 
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Voy Por Ustedes at 25 ROTFLMFAO!!!

He won and Arkle where the second was a stayer then won the worst QMCC in history . It was a dreadful race if ever there was one and he beat absolute zero 2 milers of note in his life

He was a decent horse over a longer trip but he should be at the bottom 5 in this list
 
I see the name Lee Mottershead attached to this. Enough said.

1 Flyingbolt - if Tom Dreaper struggled to separate him and himself, who am I to argue.

2 Badsworth Boy - the only one to win 3 x CC and the only one to win by a distance.

3 Sprinter Sacre - not an enormous fan originally but the second coming was very impressive.
 
Tanlic said:
Voy Por Ustedes at 25 ROTFLMFAO!!!

He won and Arkle where the second was a stayer then won the worst QMCC in history . It was a dreadful race if ever there was one and he beat absolute zero 2 milers of note in his life

He was a decent horse over a longer trip but he should be at the bottom 5 in this list
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Think that was the era of the 5lb allowance for 5yo as well. Which brought Dawn Run to mind who beat the champion chaser over 2m less than 2 months after winning the Gold Cup. She may have been able to handle Captain Conan.
 
Watched Peter Thomas (brains trust/selection committee member) decry the rating of flyingbolt with no arguement other than he doesn't believe it. Guess if you have made up your mind that Sprinter Sacre was the best it doesn't matter.
 
an capall said:
Ola David. You could indeed be correct.

Alternatively: it could be because I am not thinking straight because i am very worried about my hero Maduro and the neo-liberal military/industrial complex global plot to oust him.
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Or both
 
Michael Dickinson today rates
1 Flyingbolt
2 Badsworth Boy
3 Sprinter Sacre ?

Interesting for me to read that Kauto Star was the first chaser to be top rated at 2miles, 2m 4f and 3 miles at the same time.
Pearlyman kept Desert Orchid off the 2 mile list in his time.
The debate continues.
 
Does anyone realize that Flyingbolt's rating of 210 is based on him running in only 2 x 3miles plus chases?

He never faced anything like Cue Card UDS and no way on this Planet did he come across anything within 2 stone of Sprinter Sacre.

The 2 mile CC was so bad he went off at huge odds on shortest in history I belkive,

Dunkirk was dead and his superior Bouna Notte had been stepped up in trip and went on to actually beat Arkle.

Putting his name at the top is nonsense.

Sprinter destroyed a Champion Chase winner by 13 lengths a horse that should be a CH winner and the horse that Flyingbolt beat would have got within 10 lengths of Sizing Europe




Think about this..what make MD a good judge he was 14 years old when Flyingbolt won the QMCC

We have been brainwashed for years about these horses time to get real
 
Any poll of 2-mile chasers which has Master Minded rated higher than both Moscow Flyer and Altior, isn’t fit for polishing hoops.
 
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