Holocaust Day Might Be Scrapped

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Now if this is true then this really is political correctness gone mad . I am rendered speechless by such an outrageously offensive idea. I imagine there will be a backlash from not only the Jewish community but just about all the country .

Ditch Holocaust day, advisers urge Blair
Abul Taher



ADVISERS appointed by Tony Blair after the London bombings are proposing to scrap the Jewish Holocaust Memorial Day because it is regarded as offensive to Muslims.
They want to replace it with a Genocide Day that would recognise the mass murder of Muslims in Palestine, Chechnya and Bosnia as well as people of other faiths.



The draft proposals have been prepared by committees appointed by Blair to tackle extremism. He has promised to respond to the plans, but the threat to the Holocaust Day has provoked a fierce backlash from the Jewish community.

Holocaust Day was established by Blair in 2001 after a sustained campaign by Jewish leaders to create a lasting memorial to the 6m victims of Hitler. It is marked each year on January 27.

The Queen is patron of the charity that organises the event and the Home Office pays £500,000 a year to fund it. The committees argue that the special status of Holocaust Memorial Day fuels extremists’ sense of alienation because it “excludes” Muslims.

A member of one of the committees, made up of Muslims, said it gave the impression that “western lives have more value than non-western lives”. That perception needed to be changed. “One way of doing that is if the government were to sponsor a national Genocide Memorial Day.

“The very name Holocaust Memorial Day sounds too exclusive to many young Muslims. It sends out the wrong signals: that the lives of one people are to be remembered more than others. It’s a grievance that extremists are able to exploit.”

The recommendation, drawn up by four committees including those dealing with imams and mosques, and Islamaphobia and policing, has the backing of Sir Iqbal Sacranie, secretary-general of the Muslim Council of Britain.

He said: “The message of the Holocaust was ‘never again’, and for that message to have practical effect on the world community it has to be inclusive. We can never have double standards in terms of human life. Muslims feel hurt and excluded that their lives are not equally valuable to those lives lost in the Holocaust time.”

Ibrahim Hewitt, chairman of the charity Interpal, said: “There are 500 Palestinian towns and villages that have been wiped out over the years. That’s pretty genocidal to me.”

The committees are also set to clash with Blair on his proposal to ban Hizb ut-Tahrir, the radical Islamic group. Government sources say they will argue that a ban is unjustified because the group, which is proscribed in much of the Middle East, neither advocates nor perpetrates violence in the UK.

A Home Office spokesman said it would consider the proposals for a separate Genocide Day for all faiths but emphasised that it regarded the Holocaust as a “defining tragedy in European history”.

Mike Whine, a director of the British Board of Deputies, said: “Of course we will oppose this move. The whole point is to remember the darkest day of modern history.”

Louise Ellman, Labour MP for Liverpool Riverside and a Holocaust Memorial trustee, said: “These Muslim groups should stop trying to evade the enormity of the Holocaust.”

The seven committees finalise their recommendations today at St George’s House, Windsor, and will submit them to Blair and Charles Clarke, the home secretary, on September 22.
 
Surely there are hundreds of millions like me who thought "never again" for the fifty-six years that we didn't have a special day on which to think it? I can't see why we have to invent any days such as these - perhaps only that it's because what happens in Mr Tony's mate's country.
 
But then, will Muslims - especially more fundamentalist ones - enjoy a day which will include (I hope) remembering the homosexuals who were destroyed by Nazism, and will the inclusion of recalling all the exterminated Roma gypsies go down well with those who still persecute them? If you honour the Chechens, you must honour the Russians they murdered, too, how about Serbs and Croats, Hutus murdering Tutsis, Indian Hindus versus Indian Muslims, Sunnis versus the Kurds, world without end?

Perhaps bunging the whole shame of human hatred into one inglorious day of morbid reflection would serve everyone's need to memorialize the worst we can do to each other. Personally, I haven't seen one war memorial, one commemorative plaque, statue, or building that has prevented one civil war, gulag, genocidal mania, ethnic cleansing, gassing, bombing, or shooting of thousands of people every year, somewhere, by someone against someone else.

We have enough 'memorials' and enough sombre services intoning endlessly about how this, that, or the other should be 'never again'. 'Never again' the First World War - until the second. 'Never again' the concentration camps, until the gulags were unveiled. Why don't we come to terms with the fact that we are a bloody and brutal species and the only thing that will be 'never again' will be worldwide peace?
 
Originally posted by BrianH@Sep 14 2005, 10:38 PM
Surely there are hundreds of millions like me who thought "never again" for the fifty-six years that we didn't have a special day on which to think it? I can't see why we have to invent any days such as these - perhaps only that it's because what happens in Mr Tony's mate's country.
Well said Brian. The political correctness gone mad was to institute the day in the first place.
 
I don't believe that Holocaust Day is directed at people of your generation Brian. Homer - well if setting aside a day to remember 6 million dead is political correctness then I am all for it.
 
The holocaust is one of the central events of European history and we have a right, even a duty, to remember it.

It's true that Muslims are excluded, in the sense that they were not greatly involved in the holocaust, either as perpetrators, victims or bystanders.

But it doesn't take a lot of imagination to realise that the main question it still poses is vitally important, namely what should each of us be doing to prevent a repetition? And I would have thought that Muslim leaders, being members of a minority that is currently unpopular with many elements of the mainstream, would be quicker to cop on to this.
 
Originally posted by Grey@Sep 15 2005, 09:53 AM
The holocaust is one of the central events of European history and we have a right, even a duty, to remember it.


I am not intending to make any point about whether or not the holding of a Holocaust Day upsets Muslims or any other people - rather I'm asking why it is needed.

What makes you think that people (apart from the politically motivated deniers and those they have brainwashed) wouldn't remember it without a special day put aside? Surely the important thing is that the correct history is taught to children of all generations?

And why not a day to remember the forty-three million killed by Stalin or the ninety million killed by Mao Tse Tung? Or perhaps the numbers killed by the Inquisition relative to the world's population then mean that a day is deserved?

To cover a full catalogue of atrocities we'd need to alter the calendar to increase the number of days in the year.
 
Without wishing to diminish the horrors suffered under Stalin or Mao, there are certain factors which explain why the holocaust receives, and deserves to receive, so much attention:

- It was instigated by a regime that, in the best traditions of western Europe, was voted into office.

- It was an operation mainly planned by bureaucrats, who set out to the office each morning and returned each evening to hearth and home.

- It was an international event. The spread of victims went well beyond Germany itself and covered most of Europe.

- In the same way, most of Europe was at some level morally confronted or compromised by the holocaust.

- Anti-Jewish feeling is strong to this day in many parts of Europe, not only in some of the new EU Member States but some of the older ones as well.
 
Grey.
Why are there Anti-Jewish feelings?

It seems to have been going on for hundreds of years and the British had a go as well,albeit many years ago.

My history is not up to much,so a bit of education would be welcome.
 
Originally posted by BrianH@Sep 15 2005, 12:38 AM
Surely there are hundreds of millions like me who thought "never again" for the fifty-six years that we didn't have a special day on which to think it? I can't see why we have to invent any days such as these - perhaps only that it's because what happens in Mr Tony's mate's country.
I am not intending to make any point about whether or not the holding of a Holocaust Day upsets Muslims or any other people - rather I'm asking why it is needed.

What makes you think that people (apart from the politically motivated deniers and those they have brainwashed) wouldn't remember it without a special day put aside? Surely the important thing is that the correct history is taught to children of all generations?

And why not a day to remember the forty-three million killed by Stalin or the ninety million killed by Mao Tse Tung? Or perhaps the numbers killed by the Inquisition relative to the world's population then mean that a day is deserved?

To cover a full catalogue of atrocities we'd need to alter the calendar to increase the number of days in the year.

Well said. I'm in Brian's camp for this one. Is it really necessary in the first place?
 
Krizon sums it up pretty well - it pissed me off in the mid-90s when there was so much talk around the 50th anniversary of the Holocaust, where we were constantly being told that we should "never forget". Meanwhile in Rwanda and Srebrnica...

It just felt like there was a huge disconnection between not wanting to forget such atrocities, and actually doing something about preventing them happening again.
 
Yes while people who still live, having been there seen it done it etc etc, it needs to happen, but in years to come maybe it then might need to be reviewed......................otherwise having had it for ex number of years then scrapping it!! how would you think those people now in the twilight of their living years would feel??? :rolleyes:
 
I would be happy with one day to remember all that were done away with unlawfully.
 
Absolutely with Brian on this. We could have each day in the year with a special rememberance of one particular act of mass murder or another and, as K says, since when has any such day ever prevented another outrage?

We do have Remembrance Sunday, don't forget (and I do think this is the one day we should try to keep - after all, it doesn't exclude Holocause victims, does it??) - it only devalues that by adding others onto the calendar.
 
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