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Originally posted by krizon@May 3 2006, 09:32 PM
In fact, the Churchillian postwar government positively encouraged British people to leave these shores for those very countries to help build them up with their skills, offering them £10 towards their fares, all of which is highly ironic today.
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Three gentle corrections - the immediate post-war government, when emigration started to soar, was Attlee's but, more importantly, it was the Australian government who funded the assisted passages not Britain. Also emigrants were not given £10 - they paid £10 towards the cost of their fare.

The ten pound passage British assisted migration scheme was the most ambitious in Australian history, attracting more than a million British migrants to Australia.

The preference for skilled and semi-skilled workers boosted urban and industrial development and helped shape Australia’s postwar suburban settlement.
 
Always happy to be put right by the facts, Brian, thanks. I wondered about the £10 fares to South Africa, actually, because I know my parents paid ours, arriving at Port Elizabeth docks in 1952 with £100 to start anew. The 'good life' lasted less than nine months, shortly after my Mother discovered the apartheid laws she didn't know existed before setting sail, and realized she'd have to leave South Africa or end up in jail for punching some surly Afrikaaner on the nose.
 
She's a good ole girl at heart, Gareth! She's never been afraid to stick up for others, and herself, too: she had a horrible boss during our stay in South Africa, who was a rude boor and had all of his staff working in fear of his disapproval. One day he went just one rudery too far for her, so she gave him an extremely detailed and steady insight into her opinion of his horrible ways, in full view of his cowering staff, and then announced she would not be back, he could keep his poxy job and welcome to it.

She had just reached the door in full drama mode, when another thought struck her, so she whirled around and, like Det. Columbo, said, "And just one more thing... " she said she had to stop herself bursting out laughing, as the guy was still sitting in exactly the position she'd left him, with his mouth still open! :o

Her father came from Cork and she loved him dearly. He died when she was just 13, but she still has the warmest memories of him. He bought her an Irish terrier puppy, which she adored, but sadly it became ill and died. Her father buried it with some ceremony in the garden, and made a small cross with 'RIP' on it. One of my mother's schoolmates visited shortly afterwards, and spied the little grave. My mother asked her if she knew what 'RIP' stood for. The girl, Doreen, piped up smartly with "Yes - Rotten Irish Pup!" My mother failed to see the wit (although she's rather admired it since), and closed on Doreen, and they both fell to brawling on the lawn. Mother defended the pup's honour robustly, and Doreen went home much dishevelled.

What makes me laugh about this is that, as a child, I was forever told by my mother that only the feeble-minded stooped to physical force. As I got older, I began to hear more stories of her bashing the class bully, or kicking unpleasant boys, and realized how many excellent opportunities I'd missed!
 
I wanted to emigrate to Australia in 1957 which was part of a 'Big Brother' movement,
I seem to remember that I only had to pay £10 ?

I was supposed to be assigned to sheep farming on horseback which seemed very adventurous at the time.

It was for teenagers who had left school and were aged between 15 and 19 and who wished to emigrate, unfortunately you did have to have your parents permission and my father refused to sign the required papers, he said " if you want to leave, you can join the army "

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Not for a long, long time, Colin: I'm afraid teaching naturally insular only children to be over-respectful doesn't help them to determine when they should be properly assertive. I was a wimp until I had a job in my thirties which forced my hand in confronting and resolving difficult situations, and I doubt that I was much older than 35 before I felt more confident in standing up for myself, although I'd always been straight in to defend anyone else who was being hard done by.

I think I got better at dealing with issues which affected me personally, rather than those which had a general/community effect, by slow degrees. I'd love to have been one of those bouncy, self-assured kids who give as good as they get from early days on. My approach sometimes is still to go in by the back door in order to reach the front of the house - unless it's an occurrence that really needs an instant fix.

Part of the pathetic performance was down to a really extreme case of shyness which hit around 16 and was only really attacked when I HAD to face the customers staying at Mum's guest house from age 19 to 21. I think the first week of meet 'n' greet was the purest torture I've known - go and SAY HALLO to a bunch of strangers? :o Talk about panic attacks!
 
If these people come here and commit serious crimes they should be deported back to where they came from for abusing our hospitality. Don't make excuses for them, if they are dangerous criminals then kick them out.
Why on earth do some people think that our small island should take care of all the world's unfortunate people? There must be plenty of people who deserve our help, and murderers, muggers and rapists aren't on that list.
 
I'd like Charles Clarke to be exported, for sure - preferably to some lawless, gun-toting mad place where most of the worst of the illegals have come from. Hey! Birmingham sounds ideal!




(Joke, Pee, joke!) ;)
 
:lol: :lol:

I loved the typo on Teletext with the lack of capital letters about the new reshuffle

"Alan Johnson gets education." :lol:
 
Originally posted by Ted@May 5 2006, 12:51 PM
If these people come here and commit serious crimes they should be deported back to where they came from for abusing our hospitality. Don't make excuses for them, if they are dangerous criminals then kick them out.
Why on earth do some people think that our small island should take care of all the world's unfortunate people? There must be plenty of people who deserve our help, and murderers, muggers and rapists aren't on that list.
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And so say all of us!!!
 
i didnt put my point across like i should have done, i am not condoning what thes epeople have done so please dont think i am. but it all stems back to there upbringings, if they lived an a decent enviroment and had a stable home etc, i would bet that they would never have gone on to do such things. when i said these people need help, i meant there countries & people in the countries there from. one thing i have never been able to accept is how there can be severe obeseity in america/uk and famine in other parts of the world. the government should be trying to restore these thirld world countries for the people to live in, not bringing them over here & chucling them out when the press kick off.
 
There's plenty of obesity at certain levels of society in what you call 'third world' countries, jft. Mostly among the ruling classes who keep the rest of their nationals in the poverty we'd all like to see wiped out. Obesity doesn't actually mean eating well, or even eating a lot. It means eating too much of the wrong foods, drinking sugary pop or beer way too much, and exercising far too little. What you forget, perhaps, is that the people raking in the cash from well-meaning charities, from governments, from UN relief agencies, etc., are the people who are in positions of trust (ministers, clerks, regional governors, the police, the army, etc., etc.) who should be trying to raise their own country's standards. But they won't and they don't - how many examples of thieving from aid do you need? Go right back to the days of the Golden Throne of Ghana in the 1960s onwards, and you'll see that thriving, economically-healthy, and just plain HEALTHY African countries were rapidly drained of their financial foundations by the venal and often despotic rulers who were elected (usually under threat of force) to guard them.

As for places like the Maghreb countries, don't delude yourself a minute longer in thinking they're 'third world', because they don't, and they're not! From elsewhere, Eastern European and Asian countries are providing us with not only cheap labour, but the side-effect of extortionists, gangsters and pimps along with the genuine workers. Charming, not.

Your anger and concern would be better placed, may I humbly suggest, in lobbying hard for the rulers of the worst-affected countries to stop making idiotic and vicious tribal or religious wars, and for the largesse of the better-behaved world to go DIRECTLY into the hands of those most desperate. Unfortunately, believe it or not, it usually can't, due to the stranglehold on airfields, main roads and railways by the warring factions, who merely grab it for themselves and to sell on at huge profits in a very healthy black market. The UN doesn't have a mandate to invade these countries and bash a few heads together to knock some sense into them, but sometimes I think someone should.

You're right, of course, that we shouldn't be buying 25 varieties of iPod, a new car every year, the latest stupid trainers, designer labels and millions of over-packaged food every day in THIS country while elsewhere babies die of dehydration - try telling that to the population, though, and they'll say it's up to other countries to get up to our standards, not for us to drop back (as we have been there before!) to theirs. In order to accomplish anything near that, though, the corruption and repression in those countries has to be stopped. Your mission, should you choose to accept...
 
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