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Genuine horses on the flat are very few n far between this time of year but we seem to have one popping up on Saturday called Mabait.

Now the strike rate and profit return of horses running this time of year (About September onwards) is pretty sensational and must put Mabait on the map for Dubai glory if he can carry a decent Listed win over with him.

Thoughts?
 
What is your rationale for thinking this horse can win in Dubai when he's already tried Meydan and flopped twice? His only runs on AW were over two years ago at Wolverhampton (not the same surface as Lingfield, where he's never run), and on Saturday he'll be up against six previous CD winners, proven over the course and the distance. I don't understand this selection.

I also don't understand what you mean by there being few genuine horses on the Flat at this 'time of year'. This time of year is when the AW specialists, who can't take hard summer ground, come out, including dozens of debut or pre-rated 2 y.o.'s who are hardly out of their swaddling clothes, so not yet judgeable. The handicaps are full of perfectly decent animals who run year afer year. There might be a few old rogues on the AW, but plenty are criticised for canine tendencies during the summer on grass. If horses are really ungenuine, they don't tend to be kept in expensive training these days. Some are less talented than others, but it doesn't mean they're not trying.
 
Bruce, you started this thread with ambivalent statements, and have since ignored it to randomly (and confusingly) post on other threads. What's the deal?
 
I never shout anyone down on this forum but everything that you write Bruce is either inflammatory,ill though out or complete nonsense.
 
Uncastrated males who prove to be ungenuine don't stay uncastrated for long! Certainly not to become older, ungenuine entires. There's no percentage in putting up with any nonsense from them and they sure ain't going to be objects of desire in the breeding shed, so off go the bobbly bits.
 
Forgot about this thread,

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I think this is a fair profit for Horses on the AW, would give Mabait a good chance on Saturday!
 
Just to clear up some confusion, here is an official statement from the racingpost states;

C - Colt
F - Filly
M - Mare
H - Horse
G - Gelding
 
Oh, right, the race card definition of a stallion being called a 'horse', of course. So, that's refined Bruce's topic down to uncastrated males over the age of three. Of which, at a rough guess, I figure there around eight still in training, which should narrow the field down considerably.
 
I am genuinely concerned about your health inparticually the change in your writing style over the past couple of weeks, which does raise an issue with me.

I may not be the most influential poster regarding Horse Racing (I love Katharines' recent contribution!) which has undoubtedly attracted some negative views towards my direction. Put all that aside as I hold no grudges, I wouldn't want to see anyone suffering in silence and I'm there to help someone overcome any issues they may have.

Just a slight concern from my point of view for you Krizon, hope everything is ok and don't be afraid to seek any professional help as there are plenty of organisations out there willing to do there best.
 
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I'm talking you seriously, Bruce, where others clearly don't. Your own subject says 'Horses', which is a little anodyne for a horse racing website. Rory asked you to define horses - which you've now accredited to the RP as being, uh, well, horses. Race cards (you do go racing, don't you?) define stallions - uncastrated males over the age of three - as HORSES. Thus, b.f. - bay filly; gr. g. - grey gelding; ch.h. - chestnut horse; br.m. - brown mare, and so on.

Thus, if you've decided that your topic is actually about HORSES as defined by your own research into the Racing Post, and I've supported you by saying that's the definition on race cards, then you are discussing uncastrated male horses over the age of three. If they're 3 and under, they're called COLTS, which is not what you are talking about.

I can't possibly speak for anyone else on here, Bruce, but as you've defined the parameters of your topic very narrowly, given the paucity of anything with its balls intact racing at this time of the year, genuine or ungenuine, I don't think it'll leave you with much to discuss. But hey, whatever floats your boat!

Thank you for your kindly concern - you know us ancients feel much reassured that the younger generation cares about them. If you'd like to consider sending me a food parcel for Christmas, it'd be much appreciated.

Back to your choice, MABAIT, who is, of course, a HORSE. But in a couple of weeks, he'll be a 6 y.o. and as he's not shown the sort of talent that warrants him still being an entire, I wouldn't hang your hat on him accomplishing a coup for you in Dubai, or anywhere else for that matter.
 
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Not sure if it is 3 or 4 Kri. Filly's become Mares at five but not sure about horses.
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They are horses at 5. These are split between entires and geldings and if they go to stud, stallions. They are colts up to and including four.
 
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Cheeeeeky boy! There seems to be an awful lot of confusion over the word 'horses'. First, it's a species of animal, regardless of gender or age. Then, to confuse people, racing splits them into age-related groups which have nothing to do with Thoroughbreds which don't go into racing. A horse is simply a species: a gelding is a male horse which has been castrated at any age. A stallion is a horse which is uncastrated at any age, 2, 3, or 23. Most racehorse stallions are castrated when still colts, if they show no precocious talent, but some are gelded (castrated) later on - viz Bruce's choice, MABAIT, still 'entire' (hence the term also used - stallion, entire, or, as per race cards, 'horse') at 6, which is unusual for a horse of no particular talent.

Does this help to determine that the phrases entire, horse, stallion, are all one and the same? Simply ungelded, or uncastrated, males. A colt can be a stallion, or he can be a gelding. A stallion is termed a horse for the purpose of race cards, to differentiate it from a gelding, although the abbreviation 's' would've sufficed to have indicated 'stallion', regardless of its age!

Thank ferk fillies aren't neutered, or God knows what the terminology would be!
 
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krizon said:
A colt can be a stallion, or he can be a gelding.
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A colt cannot be a gelding. A colt means they are still entire.

For example, the Classic races are restricted to 3yo Colts and Fillies, precisely because gelded horses are not permitted to race because the races are designed to showcase talent for breeders. This means a gelding is of little interest!!
 
I don't think it's that hard to follow to be honest. A male is a colt until 5 and it's then a horse. A female is a filly until 5 when she becomes known as a mare. In the voice of Aleksandr Orlov - 'simples'.
 
Bruce_Savage said:
Forgot about this thread,

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I think this is a fair profit for Horses on the AW, would give Mabait a good chance on Saturday!
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I'll regret this, but can you tell us exactly what parameters you're using for this search on Proform, Bruce. It certainly doesn't match my findings.
 
My figures show that backing entires (5-y-o+) on the AW in the UK and Ireland since 2007 would have seen you lose over £10,000 to level stakes of £100 on each runner, making this the worst system in the history of the world, ever, even if Bruce's stats show otherwise.
 
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