How Can This Still Go On......................

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Kri, I have looked up the posts I made on the subject and at no time did I get personal with anyone. I can't recall any post that was deleted by Ardross, nor do I think he would delete any as he himself is a veggie. I do recall you "quoting" me on several occassions but you were unable to point out where I made these posts at the time and that remains the case. The word scum was used to describe the human race so I don't see why you are taking it so personally.

I suspect you have had a sneaky look at "meet your meat" and are now haunted with visions of piglets having their ears clipped and being castrated, without anaesthetic, as you tuck into your wafer thin ham. The truth can be a terrible thing but, it's going a bit far to "baseball-bat" the messenger.
 
Originally posted by Honest Tom@Jun 10 2005, 08:21 AM
The truth can be a terrible thing but, it's going a bit far to "baseball-bat" the messenger.
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How would you feel about a nice bit of ear cuting off then? Or perhaps a spot of tongue removal?

Where's my bacon roll?
 
Originally posted by simmo@Jun 10 2005, 09:34 AM
Where's my bacon roll?
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That's a very interesting post simmo. In the future can we expect other gems such as "The time I bought a packet of Mintola off a van"?
 
If there should be a thread about the best way to eat say Munchies, which is subsequently hijacked and turned into a thread about how the eating of Munchies, Mintola and perhaps other chocolate based confectionary is bad in some way, then it may be relevant for me to make an utterance along those lines.

However, the van tends to overcharge terribly for such products, so maybe I wouldn't.

Sensible discussion is pointless in this case, because you believe in one thing, I believe in another and never the twain shall meet.
 
HT,

I was just wondering how you reconcile your animal rights stance with the way you make your living. Horse racing can be a cruel sport, in terms of both premeditated accidents and in a small number of cases, pure mistreatment.

I'm not being arguementative, just interested.
 
Melendez, the average human has a pretty miserable lot, working in jobs they hate and, sometimes, in dangerous jobs that kill them so why not horses? Racehorses generally have a decent life although certainly that life could be made better without it having any negative effect on the sport. e.g. the whip could be banned, fences could be eased, meetings abandoned when the ground was unsafe, they could be guaranteed so many hours a day in the fields, retirement etc. Ignoring sick spectacles like the Aintree national, the intention isn't that any horse should be killed unlike bullfighting for example which wouldn't exist without the slaughter.

Having said all that, I'm on record in the past as saying that if it's true that NH racing won't survive without foxhunting, then ban NH racing. Similarly, if racehorses were generally being mistreated then I'd say fuck it, ban all horse racing if they can't get their house in order.

As things stand though, I don't really see how the existence of a racehorse could be compared in any way to the cruel and miserable existence that awaits e.g. battery hens.
 
That's fair enough Tom.

I can't say I am totally enamoured with the way the way most meat is produced, but I would still have very few qualms of conscience about eating it. Humans are designed to eat meat, sure we can survive without it, but it is wholly natural. That the meat doesn't get to the table in the most animal friendly manner is highly regrettable but it still results in the animal serving its natural purpose for humans.

I would however have a constant niggling doubt about horse racing. I would have thought risking animals lives and causing them to suffer purely for our entertainment is a lot less consciable(sp? never mind spelling is there such a word). Fortunately I am not made up of much moral fibre so I can overlook this. I just would expect that the norm among heifer-hugging individuals like yourself would be to abhor the sport.
 
Originally posted by Wassermusik@Jun 10 2005, 12:54 PM
mabe krizon means the Honest Tom who does not regularly contribute to this forum
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Melendez, it's just a pity that the suffering of chickens etc. didn't take place in peoples front rooms up until they ate the poor creatures. The fact is, most humans are too stupid to understand anything unless it's shoved under their very noses. As for it being natural to eat meat, who says? If you're going to hark back to our past then would you also say it was natural to kill fellow humans. Should I feel inadequate because I've never topped anyone?

As for me being a heifer-hugger I can assure you nothing could be further from the truth. I don't have any pets or any animal interests beyond betting. I'm not a nature lover, as far as I'm concerned nature is what kills you - get it to fuck is what I say. I'm pro GM food although anti GM food corporations. I also think it was a big mistake to get rid of nuclear power. I don't think I fit into your categorisation very neatly at all.
 
Nope, HT, I didn't 'sneak a peek' - I've seen enough stuff in supporting the RSPCA, the PDSA, and various local animal shelters down the years - and they're a fair number of years - to need to go over and over the same ground. I've signed loads of petitions, banged off my contributions, but unfortunately, humane legislation and the will to see it enacted at ground level consistently seems to be very poor.

I'm agin the live transportation of slaughter animals, I'm against veal and tuna consumption because of the method of its' production and I don't eat those 'products' because of it - for ethical reasons, not whether I like them or not. I have no problem with humans being omnivores. But, as far as vegetarianism is concerned, grain products are the least natural of 'natural' items introduced into our diets, which is why so many people are allergic to them: our guts haven't yet evolved enough to cope with some of their constituents, but have learned to cope since Neanderthal times with first raw, then somewhat charred, meat.

All life on Earth evolves, mostly at the rate of thousands or millions of years. By the time the Sun fries the Blue Planet to the size of a Malteser, around 5 billion years from now, we'll probably be living on 'prana', or the Life Force, only.

No, I'm not confusing this Honest Tom with any other - I don't know any other, but then I don't actually 'know' this one, either. Tom, as far as I'm concerned, our to-and-froing about what you said and at whom it was aimed are now past history. You've made your feelings about humanity clear as crystal - there's yet another diatribe aimed against their global idiocy above, I see. I've nowt more I care to say on this subject.

As for you being baseball-batted, that was a semi-jocularity in response to viewing your mass of vitriol on so many subjects - it was probably a tad low, but not as extreme as your wish that all humanity be consumed by the Apocalypse. Of course, your wish WILL be granted eventually by cosmic forces - just not right now.
 
Originally posted by krizon@Jun 10 2005, 10:59 PM
As for you being baseball-batted, that was a semi-jocularity in response to viewing your mass of vitriol on so many subjects - it was probably a tad low
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Don't worry about it Kri, you're not alone as simmo wants to cut off my ear and my tongue. It must be something they're putting in the food :lol:.


not as extreme as your wish that all humanity be consumed by the Apocalypse.  Of course, your wish WILL be granted eventually by cosmic forces - just not right now.
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The apocalypse comes in the shape of a disease in the food chain Kri. With all meat eaters wiped out, the average IQ of the human race is increased significantly at a stroke. That's evolution for you. :lol:
 
Originally posted by Honest Tom@Jun 11 2005, 07:57 AM
The apocalypse comes in the shape of a disease in the food chain Kri. With all meat eaters wiped out, the average IQ of the human race is increased significantly at a stroke. That's evolution for you. :lol:
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Oh, I don't know, Tom - have you seen the misfits that Animal Aid get to picket in shopping centres?? I'd find it hard to believe that any of Animal Aid's followers have an IQ in double figures...
 
Originally posted by Shadow Leader@Jun 11 2005, 10:00 AM
[Oh, I don't know, Tom - have you seen the misfits that Animal Aid get to picket in shopping centres?? I'd find it hard to believe that any of Animal Aid's followers have an IQ in double figures...
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Dom, How many betting shop counter staff could work out £1 @ 11/8. Going by your thinking, if there was to be a cull of humans based on IQ then bookmaker's employees would be the first to go.
 
Ah, well, of course the Apocalypse thus described started back around 1980 with Creutzfeld-Jacobs Disease, a blight which has reduced the British Blood Service's volunteers dramatically. Fortunately, I was in a non-Western country enjoying halal meat (cue diatribe) at the time, and am able to continue to donate my platelets to anyone who needs them. Probably some unwashed vegan anti-capitalist who'd fallen out of his woodland tree-house, having fainted due to a lack of red blood cells....
 
Tom - that was in direct response to your comment that the collective IQ would rise in the wake of an Apocalypse wiping out all meat eaters.

Oh, and you're not wrong either, until recently betting shop staff were the bane of my life. I often used to ask my boss where the adverts recruiting these staff were, as I hadn't come across any recruiting adverts asking "Are You A ------- Idiot? If So, WE Want YOU!!" as clueless was an optimistic way to describe most of the cretins I used to have to speak to.
 
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