Colin - but with experts, who presumably make their living from betting, isn't that what you'd expect? We expect estate agents to be able to sell houses, and pilots to fly planes, so is it so surprising that racing pundits can find winners? I'd like to know why so many of them seem to spurn recommending the long-priced e/w nags which have dotted the landscape so often this Flat season. Is it because they dismiss everything below a certain price? But why do pundits seemingly disdain the e/w market?