Hughes ban - the Disciplinary Panel got it wrong

Ardross

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I was pretty appalled by their reasoning yesterday but most of all by the submissions of the BHA Q.C that if Hughes had got 10 years that should be upheld too on the basis of a reciprocal agreement .

What was wrong ?well I see it this way

1 As the reasons revealed the Indian stewards had actually left the International Racing Agreement in 2007 as because unlike all the other signatories they deny people appearing before them legal representation. Hence , the line peddled by the BHB that they could only interfere if the proceedings had been in breach of natural justice was wrong .

2 The Panel however upheld the ban via a backdoor route namely that the Indian authorities were however a recognised racing authority by the BHA and therefore the ban would apply unless disapplied by the BHA . It strikes me as objectionable that a foreign racing authority can back out of the standards required by the International Racing Agreement (IRA)and still have its bans enforced but so be it . What is plain , however is that the reasons for disapplying a ban are therefore at large . The Panel accepted this but then proceeded to apply an approach akin to the IRA .

3 Hence , the Panel adopted far too narrow an approach saying that the application for the ban not to apply should be considered against the need for reciprocal arrangements to be enforced and on the basis of whether Hughes received a fair hearing . Why should the indian authorities be entitled to what in effect are the limits of the IRA when they won't sign up to it .

4 Hughes' challenge was based on four points (a) that he was not allowed legal representation (b) the absence of the trainer at the appeal (c) the emphasis on the riding instructions and (d) the disproportionate penalty

The panel found that (a) could be dismissed on the basis that Hughes had signed a waiver ( that strikes me as nonsensical - any such waiver of putting your rights to a fair hearing before your domestic authority is offensive and seeks to usurp the domestic authority's powers ) (b) that it did not make any difference as the representative put Hughes' points with clarity and energy . ( Frankly, that strikes me as equally specious - a trained advocate by that very training is likely to be more persuasive - that is the very reason for having the rule in this country that legal representation is appropriate

As for the absence of the trainer - who said he was ill and then turned up saddling runners in the afternoon. This was said not to be unfair as there was no evidence from the earlier hearings that their recollection of the instructions was in dispute . This strikes me again as specious. The findings against Hughes were based on his apparent failure to rush the horse up and control it if it ran keen . Questions could clearly have been asked of the trainer to address the original panel's findings and to deal with them . The fact the representative apparently did not think of this illustrates that a lawyer might have done

As for the over emphasis on riding instructions as distinct from in effect the non-trier rule they said this had been carefully investigated and that the could not retry the case themselves . I think that a point should have been made but does not appear to have been that we should simply not be enforcing breaches of this rule as it reverses the burden of proof .In effect , not riding to instructions is regarded as meaning non-trying which the jockey then has to disprove . This is totally offensive to our ideas of justice . The BHA should not even have upheld a suspension based on this rule under the IRA let alone by the back door

Finally, they held that the proper test to the penalty was perversity ( i.e no reasonable authority could have reached it ) rather than proportionality ( a proportionate response to a legitimate aim ) and held that 50 days met either test . Which in the light of the effects on a jockey's earnings and potentially their career strikes me as quite astonishing if proportionality is the test as it should be .

Furthermore, the effect of the Indian stewards ruling for a domestic jockey would be a 15 day ban - for a foreign jockey 50 days . This is discriminatory and the BHA at most should therefore have held that an equivalent ban should apply - either 15 days or on the 15 days when Mumbai was racing . Otherwise it has a disproportionate effect on a foreign jockey.

I hope Hughes and his lawyers appeal to the Appeal Board which has a better record .
 
The whole thing seems farcical to me. 50 days for not riding a horse to strict intructions. What if all jockeys are instructed to be up with the pace or to be held up or handy etc. The BHA upholding the ban is even worse in my opinion. Excellently put argument Ardross - Hughes should be hiring you for the appeal.
 
A little bit of pay back for his stance on the whip rules perhaps.

Bollocks. No matter what you think of the BHA, they have set procedures, rules and regulations in place. The disciplinary panel are independent from the people who set the whip rules and implemented them. The BHA are a professional body not the Chinese government holding petty grudges for resistance.

I think if you ride in other jurisdictions, you should be prepared to pay the penalties they dish out. Whilst different penalties for domestic and foreign jockeys is ridiculous, Hughes knew the rules he was riding on and knew the consequences if he broke the rules. The BHA shouldn't be reviewing the individual stewarding decision as it falls out of their jurisdiction, I couldn't care if they have 100 day ban for wearing the wrong boots, you agree to play by those rules.
 
Spot on Gamla. Good post and why does every questioning of a decision have to be accompanied by paranoia?
 
Bollocks. No matter what you think of the BHA, they have set procedures, rules and regulations in place. The disciplinary panel are independent from the people who set the whip rules and implemented them. The BHA are a professional body not the Chinese government holding petty grudges for resistance.

I think if you ride in other jurisdictions, you should be prepared to pay the penalties they dish out. Whilst different penalties for domestic and foreign jockeys is ridiculous, Hughes knew the rules he was riding on and knew the consequences if he broke the rules. The BHA shouldn't be reviewing the individual stewarding decision as it falls out of their jurisdiction, I couldn't care if they have 100 day ban for wearing the wrong boots, you agree to play by those rules.

I agree with the gist of your post, GS. However, it doesn't address any of the points mentioned by Ardross above.
 
Yes it did. It dismissed it all (politely) as a load of waffle and got to the nub of the point. At the end of the day, we would expect the indians to uphold any bans we impose and thus the arrangement has to be mutual
 
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That is not the point . Firstly, that is not what the International Racing Agreement says and secondly, the Indian authorities deliberately chose to back out of that agreement in 2007 - if they are not prepared to play by international rules on what constitutes a fair procedure why should they expect their rulings to be upheld .

Gamla's point is frankly absurd - why should we uphold grossly unfair and disproportionate bans in our country - when the banning country refuses to sign up to those international rules .

I see Hughes is appealing - good luck to him.
 
Well the question is whether we should have a reciprocal arrangement withg an authority that doesnt sihn up to the internationbal rules. Fair question too
 
Yes it did. It dismissed it all (politely) as a load of waffle and got to the nub of the point. At the end of the day, we would expect the indians to uphold any bans we impose and thus the arrangement has to be mutual


Firstly the rule is ridiculous, secondly the punishment is ridiculous and thirdly implementing different punishments for different rules in different jurisdictions across juristictions blindly is ridiculous. If the Indian's expect the punishments dished out to be reciprocated around the world then they should work towards a standardised set of rules across the jurisdictions. If I was Hughes I would be fuming at being sold out by his "home" governing body.
 
If Martin Dwyer is banned for a horse that hung left and then badly right I wonder if this will be enforced in the UK under this backdoor rule .

I cannot see how anyone can have any confidence in the Indian racing authorities .
 
Surely now they will think twice about going over there.Ill keep my post 'PC' and just say we all know mistakes happen even if not in this case.what happened afterwards was like a scene from gangs of New York.nuts.
 
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