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Gamla Stan

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Has anybody been?

Booked a two week jaunt via Dubai (obviously dropping in for the World Cup) in April flying into Mumbai and flying out of Calcutta. Done a small amount of research and wouldn't mind getting up to one of the hill towns and also to Jaipur but am open to ideas otherwise, plan on jetting around on India's rapidly growing budget airlines as well as the odd train as I think the railways are part of India's culture.

Would welcome suggestions of places to visit etc.
 
A good friend of mine went there 6 years ago for 3 months, and went all over.

Will definitely ask her next time I speak, but she always has said its the best country she has ever been too.

My Dad's best mate went there 18 months ago with his wife, for about 6 weeks. Also raved about it.
 
The Simla Hill Railway starred in 'Great Railway Journeys' on the Beeb last year, I think, Gamla. Beloved, as you know, of Rudyard Kipling and the British during the days of the Raj, and a wonderful train kept running very smartly by its staff. You'd thoroughly enjoy that and the Jodphur-Jaipur run, with Jaipur a must-see city of great history and beauty. There's still a resident Maharajah with a lineage that goes back centuries - not sure if some of his palace is open to the public, but you could check. I had a feeling that part of it was.

Agra and the Taj Mahal - take an Ambassador taxi from New Delhi to see it. You'll be a bit pestered by guides, but they're generally very friendly. Loads of semi-precious stones worked into table tops, jewellery, little boxes, etc. on its outskirts by craftsmen - worth looking at the ancient ways in which they still produce these products. If you see the Taj, be sure to walk backwards when leaving it - the optical illusion is that it is following you!

Mumbai has a thriving Turf Club - if you have any racing ID you might get in free. Very pretty place with old colonial look to it. The Taj Hotel would be the place to stay, of course, if only for one night, but I'm not sure if it's been refurbished after the terrorists fired it up. There are masses of back-packer style hostels as well as mid-price hotels, but once you're out of the well-known names, some of the facilities may be a bit basic, even now.

Calcutta is absolutely manic! You'll find that getting around any of the towns and cities is a hoot, as holy cows litter the roads, dozing or raiding fruit stalls, and they can't be shooed away, so your taxi (car or scooter) will often have to zig-zag around those, the hundreds of devil-may-care pedestrians, the cart-hauliers, and the wonderful tiffin delivery boys on bikes and scooters, still delivering hot lunches to offices in stacked-up pots balanced several high!

Out on the country roads you'll still quite possibly see camels, dancing bears, bullock carts, etc. Check what festivals might be on where you're going - some of the Hindu ones are spectacular, with huge puppets of their gods, re-enactments of famous battles, etc. It is probably the most colourful country on Earth, and one of the most hard-working. Everyone is doing something!

On the downside, be aware that very young children might be offering you heroin, coke, hash, or 'nice girls' the minute they see you, and that badly-disabled (sometimes deliberately mutilated) children still appear at stop lights to beg from cars; and that in some places, lepers may still be seen, minus noses, fingers, lips, etc., begging. These are distressing sights when you're not expecting them, so just be warned. You may also see very young children and even babies used in street shows by their parents - the most alarming sight I saw was a swaddled baby strapped onto a 10-foot bamboo pole, which the father then balanced on his forehead, before running with it. You're expected to marvel at these sights and lob a few coins, not ask for the number of Social Services!

It is, therefore, as is often said, a country of contrasts. You will see trays and trays of jewel-encrusted bracelets being tried on in luxurious jewellery stores by high-caste Indian ladies, who will walk straight past the crippled beggars outside. You may see naked, ash-covered holy men with staring eyes, mumbling incantations, totally ignored by the public. It's a fabulous, fascinating place. Do go on the steam trains, though - and check out how many hundred people you can count clinging to the outside of them!
 
Its a place that people either love or hate. Ive not been but know plenty who have

PhIl Tufnels first experience probably summed it up for many

"carry your bags ? carry your bags?!"

Gave him the bags and walked a few feet and then "hold on sir!"

Dropped his strides and had a dump on the pavement and then carried on as if nothing had happened..

Welcome to india...
 
If it's snot-gobs and shoite you're after (and who isn't, on holiday?) let me recommend Bangladesh - surely the Public Effluvia Capital of the world.
 
The lad beside me is from India. He says:

In the east coast (Bombay) definitely go to the state of Rajasthan (maybe Jaipur and udaipur)..this is good website to start http://www.rajasthantourism.gov.in/

on the west coast (Calcutta) I would go to Darjeeling and sikkim.

Althought he is going for two weeks, which is probably not enought to explore everything..I would try to do Bombay, maybe two cities in Rajasthan and then Calcutta and Darjeeling or sikkim
 
Pretty much what I had in mind Bar, not sure whether to bother with Delhi and Agra or not though and heard good things about Northern Rajashtan.

Definitely kicking off in Mubai and Jaipur and ending in Calcutta though, would like to fit Darjeeling and Varinasi in too and then that'll be the two weeks done!!
 
I wouldn't bother with Calcutta itself - what you see in Mumbai will be enough to cover any other Indian 'city experience', Gamla. You're young so you may go again, but I would say that Agra is a must. You can see the Taj Mahal and the nearby Red Fort all you like on film, but to stand there and look at it, in its sparkling marble beauty, surrounded by lovely countryside, is a very special experience.
 
Its a place that people either love or hate. Ive not been but know plenty who have

PhIl Tufnels first experience probably summed it up for many

"carry your bags ? carry your bags?!"

Gave him the bags and walked a few feet and then "hold on sir!"

Dropped his strides and had a dump on the pavement and then carried on as if nothing had happened..

Welcome to india...

My parents went over 20 years ago and I gather this is a normal occurence! Apparently India has a very particular fragrance especially about 7am in the morning! That said they totally loved it and would go back again and again. They did the backpack route rather than the hotel/holiday itinery and would thoroughly recommend it.
 
Don't miss the Taj, it's the most beautiful building you can ever hope to see. No pictures do it justice.

Varanasi was an extraordinary place. The first thing that happened me and my (ex) wife there, when stepping off the train, was to be surrounded on the platform by at least a dozen people shouting "Taxi!" and "Rickshaw!". In the confusion my wallet was picked. Luckily it was only a decoy and the real one was in a money belt. The next thing to happen, several times, was to be taken to the wrong hotel. There was quite a lot of that sort of nonsense to deal with. But the place itself is amazing.

Overall, though, I was one of the people who found India to be a struggle. I got tired of the constant attention from people trying to beg, syringe my ears, tell my fortune, sell me stuff, bring me to visit their uncle, clean my glasses, show me their showroom, practice their English, offer women.

I'm not mad about the food, either, which probably made me an unlikely candidate to become an India hand.
 
If you didn't like the hustling in India, Grey, then may I suggest you don't set foot in Cairo! Yes, it's rather exhausting, but having an Indian alongside many times to swat away some of the more persistent human flies was very helpful. I think getting the services of the taxi driver as a guide for the day in some of the less well-known areas is very useful and not at all expensive.

Things to experience, if only once: lassi, the milky drink you'll find available pretty much anywhere. The steam trains. A look at Mumbai's Central Station during rush hour - it knocks Charing Cross down to country station levels in volume of traffic. Getting a bespoke shirt made for you in 24 hours. A barber - you'll be pomaded with coconut oil, very good for your hair, and given a face/head massage in most little shops.
 
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