Sheikh
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They took out the wrong Turkey.
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They took out the wrong Turkey.
Sheikh
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I understand your point and there is a lot of hypocrisy from the 'West' but this guy makes threats against other Countries on a daily basis.
Yes he does - don't America do the same, and actually follow through with them?
I just don't understand this whole issue, it's fine for America to have them, they are the country responsible for all recent wars and remain the only country to use nuclear weapons on another country.
Surely this is the way wrong way around?
I just don't understand this whole issue, it's fine for America to have them, they are the country responsible for all recent wars and remain the only country to use nuclear weapons on another country.
Surely this is the way wrong way around?
yes
Thats like comparing why police are allowed to use weapon and delincuent doesnt.
It will not be very funny if Iran is bombing Israel.
Sheikh
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I suppose the issue is Iran has pledged to wipe a neighbour State ( Israel ) off the face of the earth.....so it's kind of irrelevant what the Yanks have done in the past but entirely relevant as to what they will do as regards Iran in the future. Having said that, as I have already pointed out, the hypocrisy of the West is not lost on me.
There's plenty of room for a 'Hypocritical Yankee Pigs' thread on here too
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I await clivex's input with interest....... 
It will be funnier than Israel bombing the UN.
Who appointed America as the world police?
Sheikh
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Valid points Hamm but as the Mods would say 'stick to the point' (of this thread)
How should Iran be dealt with i notcied that as soon as the Koreans became Nuclear the U.S befriended them.
Sheikh
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Your not concerned about their pledge to wipe out a neighbouring state ?
Israel/Usa may be at the top of the list of countries that the Ayatollah reckons need a 'punch' but the West in general is the enemy and the U.K is towards the top of the Iranain list of enemies. Do you reckon if we ignore them they'll go away ?
You have it now Grasshopper
But Sheik has covered it...
If someone could point to an american threat to "wipe a country off the face of the earth"?
It is not only Israel that fears iranian nuclear power but neighbouring states too. I would welcome a heavy Israeli strike against nuclear facilities in Iran. I think they could do it and the US should give aid to do so. Israel should not live under direct threat from a leadership that has signaled that it would enact genocide against its people and should not have to tolerate a situation where that state could easily carry out that threat
The other danger is Irans support and supply to terrorist groups (which again have called for "all jews to be wiped off the face of the earth" (Nasrallah)) which with their fundamentlist gloryfying of death, would quite possibly use radioactive weapons against israel if it could.
It is also likely that the neighbouring staes would also quitely support such a strike
What may well be holding all this up is the welcome (excpet in The Guardian...) rise of the Green movement in Iran. But not too much should be replied upon there
But Sheik has covered it...
If someone could point to an american threat to "wipe a country off the face of the earth"?
It is not only Israel that fears iranian nuclear power but neighbouring states too. I would welcome a heavy Israeli strike against nuclear facilities in Iran. I think they could do it and the US should give aid to do so. Israel should not live under direct threat from a leadership that has signaled that it would enact genocide against its people and should not have to tolerate a situation where that state could easily carry out that threat
The other danger is Irans support and supply to terrorist groups (which again have called for "all jews to be wiped off the face of the earth" (Nasrallah)) which with their fundamentlist gloryfying of death, would quite possibly use radioactive weapons against israel if it could.
It is also likely that the neighbouring staes would also quitely support such a strike
What may well be holding all this up is the welcome (excpet in The Guardian...) rise of the Green movement in Iran. But not too much should be replied upon there
Iraq
Absolute rubbish
When did the US state it wanted to "wipe out " Iraq? It is obvious to even a five year old that the US would have wanted nothing more than to topple Saddam without one single casualty on either side and seen to rise of a democractic prosperous state rise in its place. Whetehr the war was right or wrong, there was no intention whatsoever to unilaterally destroy the country
As for Gaza and lebanon, I suppose it comes down to the old left wing assumption that the jews should just sit there and take a continued bombardment of their country. How dare they attempt to protect their people eh? How dare they retaliate?
When did the US state it wanted to "wipe out " Iraq? It is obvious to even a five year old that the US would have wanted nothing more than to topple Saddam without one single casualty on either side and seen to rise of a democractic prosperous state rise in its place. Whetehr the war was right or wrong, there was no intention whatsoever to unilaterally destroy the country
As for Gaza and lebanon, I suppose it comes down to the old left wing assumption that the jews should just sit there and take a continued bombardment of their country. How dare they attempt to protect their people eh? How dare they retaliate?
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100,000 civilian deaths is pretty close to wiping out.
The destruction of lebanon was based on the kidnapping of 2 Israeli soldiers - hardly a proportionate response.
If Iran have an issue with Israel, let them sort it out. WTF has it got to to with America?
The destruction of lebanon was based on the kidnapping of 2 Israeli soldiers - hardly a proportionate response.
If Iran have an issue with Israel, let them sort it out. WTF has it got to to with America?
100000 is a lot less than were being killed by Saddam year on year. As i say again, you show me where there was intention by the USA to kill any segment of the population? What would they have gained from it?
Lebabon was NOT destroyed. It wasnt simply the kidnapping. It was clear that it was a response to the continued bombardment across the border (why the hell should they put up with that?) as well as the on going threats by Hezbollah agaisnt the state and jews worldwide (as we saw in Argentina)
So if Irans "issue" with Israel is that they want to "wipe it out" the rest of the wrodl should just act like fcking Switzerland should it? Come off it....
Any state that makes such threats needs to be stood up to by all states (and even russia is on board here)
What other "issue" does Iran have with Israel other than its (often stated) pure race hate?
Lebabon was NOT destroyed. It wasnt simply the kidnapping. It was clear that it was a response to the continued bombardment across the border (why the hell should they put up with that?) as well as the on going threats by Hezbollah agaisnt the state and jews worldwide (as we saw in Argentina)
So if Irans "issue" with Israel is that they want to "wipe it out" the rest of the wrodl should just act like fcking Switzerland should it? Come off it....
Any state that makes such threats needs to be stood up to by all states (and even russia is on board here)
What other "issue" does Iran have with Israel other than its (often stated) pure race hate?
The fact Israel shouldn't be there, and their treatment of Arabs/Palestine i'd suggest, which is the biggest human rights disgrace of our time.
The declaration of war on Iraq contained within it the fact that many many Iraqis would die - this didn't need to be explicitly stated.
Funny Israel wanted the rest of the world to look away when it was engaged in war crimes in Gaza a little while back (even the media blocked out), yet now they are potentially under attack, all and everyone's help is welcome.
The declaration of war on Iraq contained within it the fact that many many Iraqis would die - this didn't need to be explicitly stated.
Funny Israel wanted the rest of the world to look away when it was engaged in war crimes in Gaza a little while back (even the media blocked out), yet now they are potentially under attack, all and everyone's help is welcome.
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I'm only a layman, but I'd imagine that the dropping of tens of thousands of lbs of ordnance into a city centre, would - at the very least - give an indication of them not giving a monkey's either way.
As far as Iran itself is concerned, I'm not sure that an Israeli air-strike would be helpful. It's likely to achieve sod-all anyway, and could only stoke things up unnecessarily.
Also - and we're re-treading old ground here - your argument about "their" country being bombarded, legitimising Israel's reponses in Gaza and Lebanon, really only holds water if you believe that the disputed territory really is "their" country.
Israel is viewed as an occupying force in large parts of Palestine by many Arabs - and others (including the UN). This is something that Israel doesn't even dispute, so is it any wonder that those who have been dispossesed, have chosen to take up arms?
As for Ahmedinejad, his posturing is clearly rhetoric, and those who hide behind the "He would drive the jews into the sea" argument, are kidding themselves - and everyone else - on. Iran's standing army massively outnumbers that of Israel, and if he was serious, he could have played out his fantasy a long time ago.......if he was serious.
Worse than a laymans answer
The areas being bombarded were NOT disputed territories.
Iram could have attacked irael "if it wanted"?. Not with Israels defensive nuclear weapons. Numbers arent everything. The israeli army has conducted some tremendous operations over the years and would probably have outwitted the iranians at every turn. And Iran know that
The areas being bombarded were NOT disputed territories.
Iram could have attacked irael "if it wanted"?. Not with Israels defensive nuclear weapons. Numbers arent everything. The israeli army has conducted some tremendous operations over the years and would probably have outwitted the iranians at every turn. And Iran know that
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You're probably right. I'm surprised Iran don't fancy some defensive nuclear weapons of their own.
Hold on...........
How do you know? Arent you aware of the death wish that so many fundamentlists believe in? How so many believe that they would be fulfilling Gods wishes by killing certain races? How they happily threw hundreds of thousands of soldiers to their death in a near suicidal manner in the Iran Iraq war?
Israel should NEVER hand back the "occupied" land. the UN? donbt make me laugh. The UN that cannot condem Sri lanka or Sudan for murder of tens and hundreds of thousands. Israel would not have taken that land if it hadnt been attacked. It was a superb kick in the face of the aggressors that it did so and they should never hand it back