Iran Nuclear.
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Harry, see the start of the topic. It's hardly the 'next' - it's been around for while, during which time Israel has murdered some Iranian nuclear scientists on their home turf. Iran is joining a fairly good-sized club of countries with outright or developing nuclear arsenals, the USA and Israel very much among them. Look through the discussion points made earlier on in the topic and you'll see that there is no reason why Iran shouldn't develop a full nuclear facility, other than it has threatened to blow Israel off the map of the world, etc.
But if we really think about that threat, it would include killing millions of Arabs, too, both directly in any blasts (since they do live in Israel as well as in other Arab states), and then by radioactive drift across neighbouring Arab states, giving rise to a Chernobyl-like follow-on of birth defects and slow deaths for decades to come.
Krizon, I was referring to the Atomic inspection report that's been all over the media over the last couple of days......heard about it??
This is why I posted on this old thread and not a new one!!
The media has been per empting this too with chatter starting about an Israeli strike all last week.
Sorry you misunderstood what I meant old bean
I didn't mean to stir those anti West rages again for one minute
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Yes and I also [know that pakistan and india have weapons
Israel should have weapons. With surrounding countries believing that that state should be "wiped out' and some factions believing in the eradictation of jews full stop, they are clearly under continual threat
Israel is very unlikely to use the weapons pre-emptively simply because they do not deny the right of any neighbouring states to exist (bar Palestine if we are splitting hairs) and for all their faults, they do not sponsor terrorists who could not ultimately be controlled
Israel should have weapons. With surrounding countries believing that that state should be "wiped out' and some factions believing in the eradictation of jews full stop, they are clearly under continual threat
Israel is very unlikely to use the weapons pre-emptively simply because they do not deny the right of any neighbouring states to exist (bar Palestine if we are splitting hairs) and for all their faults, they do not sponsor terrorists who could not ultimately be controlled
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You are missing the point that Israel are exactly the same as terrorists.
Either no-one should have the nuclear option or everyone has the right to produce nuclear weapons. It's pretty simple. In a time far away when sense has returned, history will look back on this time and find it very difficult to understand how countries who have developed extensive nuclear arsenals dictate to other countries as to who can or can't have nuclear power.
Either no-one should have the nuclear option or everyone has the right to produce nuclear weapons. It's pretty simple. In a time far away when sense has returned, history will look back on this time and find it very difficult to understand how countries who have developed extensive nuclear arsenals dictate to other countries as to who can or can't have nuclear power.
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Quite possibly THE most ridiculous post ive ever read on Talking Horses in nearly 10 years!! Unbelievable
Yes. Its terrible that there wasnt a free for all allowing Saddam, pol pot, the taleban, the rawandans, castro and every lunatic free and easy to access to nuclear weapons over the past fifty years
No one could possibly understand why......
No one could possibly understand why......
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Using an extreme point allows no room for debate.
In terms of moral authority, no-one in the present world has less than the US and Israel, yet they hold a huge proportion of the current estimate of nuclear power. How is that right?
where does the US come with Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan etc?
Vietnam was over 40 years ago for a start.
The difference is that, aside from the leadership and those that fought for them, the US did not go into Iraq and Afganistan with any intention at all of killing civilians
If say, they had stepped in to liberate czechoslovakia if the berlin wall hadnt come down the way it did, would it be the fault of the US if the czechs and slovaks then decided to kill each other ?
China and Sudan (and we will add Congo and Rwanda to the list) did wipe out millions of civilians for political purposes only
The difference is that, aside from the leadership and those that fought for them, the US did not go into Iraq and Afganistan with any intention at all of killing civilians
If say, they had stepped in to liberate czechoslovakia if the berlin wall hadnt come down the way it did, would it be the fault of the US if the czechs and slovaks then decided to kill each other ?
China and Sudan (and we will add Congo and Rwanda to the list) did wipe out millions of civilians for political purposes only
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The world-weary part of me hopes it kicks-off, and we eventually nuke everything within a 1500 mile radius of Tehran.
The optimistic part of me hopes its 2500 miles.
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by iqbal latif 09/01/12
Mullah led 'Roar of a lion' that may lead to closure of Hormuz by the 'cornered tiger Iran' will be a disaster of top order, the first victim will be the regime itself that will be flushed out of the region. For world economy to operate, certain lines cannot be crossed; Strait of Hormuz is one such red-line for survival and welfare of 4 billon people within ASEA.
When the Iranian regime threatens the use of the “doomsday option,” to close the Strait of Hormuz, the Iranian clergy fails to comprehend that though definitely the Strait of Hormuz leading out of the Persian Gulf is one of the world’s most strategic chokepoints. They have two immediate problems:
1- They will stifle the economies of China, India along with the entire Asean grouping. That is nearly 4 billion people affected off the bat.
2- They will completely choke their own exports and imports. Iran happens to be a major food and refined oil products importer.
If the regime studies the volume of oil that is transported through the Strait of Malacca the other key chokepoint in Asia, an estimated 14 million mb/d of this Persian Gulf oil flow through the strait to China, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Singapore.
The Northbound oil from Strait of Hormuz is a minuscule proportion that Iran wants to stop. That oil goes through the Bab el-Mandab en route to the Suez. The Strait of Bab el-Mandab is a chokepoint between the horn of Africa and the Middle East, and a strategic link between the Mediterranean Sea and Indian Ocean. It is located between Yemen, Djibouti, and Eritrea, and connects the Red Sea with the Gulf of Aden and the Arabian Sea. Most exports from the Persian Gulf that transit the Suez Canal and SUMED pipeline also pass through the Bab el-Mandab. The volume of traffic is about 1.8 million mb/d. The Suez Canal connects the Red Sea and Gulf of Suez with the Mediterranean Sea. With only 1,000 feet at its narrowest point, the Canal is unable to handle the VLCC (Very Large Crude Carriers) and ULCC (Ultra Large Crude Carriers) class crude oil tankers.
The balance of 16 mb/d that passes through Hormuz, minus Indian consumption, minus 14mb/d through Malacca, minus 1.8mb/d Bab el-Mandab is carried by Very Large Crude Carriers from Persian Gulf around the Cape of Good Hope.
The above clearly indicates that most of the oil volume out of Hormuz goes to either to India, and through Strait of Malacca onwards through the Indian Ocean to the South China Sea and Pacific Ocean. Malacca is the shortest sea route between Persian Gulf suppliers and the Asian markets –notably China, Japan, South Korea, and the Pacific Rim. Oil shipments through the Strait of Malacca supply China and Indonesia, two of the world’s fastest growing economies.
Closure of Strait of Hormuz will only hurt Iran itself and its closest allies! South Asians, Chinese and the Aseans. USA and Europeans are not dependent on the oil of Hormuz in short term. Such a strategy will put Iran on a collision course with the entire world. Even if Iran pursues its self destructive policy this black mail will not impact the west, they should be aware that the US SPR is the largest emergency supply in the world with the current capacity to hold up to 727 million barrels (115,600,000 m3). The current inventory is displayed on the SPR's website as of May 31, 2011 was 726.5 million barrels (115,500,000 m3). This equates to 34 days of oil at current daily US consumption levels of 21 million barrels per day (3,300,000 m3/d).
Will Iranians in face of adversity of the entire world populace able to close the Straits for few month? Even their greatest ally on their Eastern and Western borders semi theocratic Pakistan/Iraqs will not be able to smuggle a single morsel of grain, as they will be the ones most impacted by the closure of Hormuz. All lights will go off, the economies will standstill. This self ruin should be averted at all cost, to play the 'game of chicken' with the fortunes of nation is taking the nation to the point of no return.
How much more imprudence and idiocy this regime wants to burden the Iranian nation with? Iranian nation stands at a dire cross road, with rulers like these who needs an enemy! Eastern Wisdom that dictates 'Better to have an intelligent enemy than a foolish friend' fits flawlessly fine here.
Mullah led 'Roar of a lion' that may lead to closure of Hormuz by the 'cornered tiger Iran' will be a disaster of top order, the first victim will be the regime itself that will be flushed out of the region. For world economy to operate, certain lines cannot be crossed; Strait of Hormuz is one such red-line for survival and welfare of 4 billon people within ASEA.
When the Iranian regime threatens the use of the “doomsday option,” to close the Strait of Hormuz, the Iranian clergy fails to comprehend that though definitely the Strait of Hormuz leading out of the Persian Gulf is one of the world’s most strategic chokepoints. They have two immediate problems:
1- They will stifle the economies of China, India along with the entire Asean grouping. That is nearly 4 billion people affected off the bat.
2- They will completely choke their own exports and imports. Iran happens to be a major food and refined oil products importer.
If the regime studies the volume of oil that is transported through the Strait of Malacca the other key chokepoint in Asia, an estimated 14 million mb/d of this Persian Gulf oil flow through the strait to China, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Singapore.
The Northbound oil from Strait of Hormuz is a minuscule proportion that Iran wants to stop. That oil goes through the Bab el-Mandab en route to the Suez. The Strait of Bab el-Mandab is a chokepoint between the horn of Africa and the Middle East, and a strategic link between the Mediterranean Sea and Indian Ocean. It is located between Yemen, Djibouti, and Eritrea, and connects the Red Sea with the Gulf of Aden and the Arabian Sea. Most exports from the Persian Gulf that transit the Suez Canal and SUMED pipeline also pass through the Bab el-Mandab. The volume of traffic is about 1.8 million mb/d. The Suez Canal connects the Red Sea and Gulf of Suez with the Mediterranean Sea. With only 1,000 feet at its narrowest point, the Canal is unable to handle the VLCC (Very Large Crude Carriers) and ULCC (Ultra Large Crude Carriers) class crude oil tankers.
The balance of 16 mb/d that passes through Hormuz, minus Indian consumption, minus 14mb/d through Malacca, minus 1.8mb/d Bab el-Mandab is carried by Very Large Crude Carriers from Persian Gulf around the Cape of Good Hope.
The above clearly indicates that most of the oil volume out of Hormuz goes to either to India, and through Strait of Malacca onwards through the Indian Ocean to the South China Sea and Pacific Ocean. Malacca is the shortest sea route between Persian Gulf suppliers and the Asian markets –notably China, Japan, South Korea, and the Pacific Rim. Oil shipments through the Strait of Malacca supply China and Indonesia, two of the world’s fastest growing economies.
Closure of Strait of Hormuz will only hurt Iran itself and its closest allies! South Asians, Chinese and the Aseans. USA and Europeans are not dependent on the oil of Hormuz in short term. Such a strategy will put Iran on a collision course with the entire world. Even if Iran pursues its self destructive policy this black mail will not impact the west, they should be aware that the US SPR is the largest emergency supply in the world with the current capacity to hold up to 727 million barrels (115,600,000 m3). The current inventory is displayed on the SPR's website as of May 31, 2011 was 726.5 million barrels (115,500,000 m3). This equates to 34 days of oil at current daily US consumption levels of 21 million barrels per day (3,300,000 m3/d).
Will Iranians in face of adversity of the entire world populace able to close the Straits for few month? Even their greatest ally on their Eastern and Western borders semi theocratic Pakistan/Iraqs will not be able to smuggle a single morsel of grain, as they will be the ones most impacted by the closure of Hormuz. All lights will go off, the economies will standstill. This self ruin should be averted at all cost, to play the 'game of chicken' with the fortunes of nation is taking the nation to the point of no return.
How much more imprudence and idiocy this regime wants to burden the Iranian nation with? Iranian nation stands at a dire cross road, with rulers like these who needs an enemy! Eastern Wisdom that dictates 'Better to have an intelligent enemy than a foolish friend' fits flawlessly fine here.
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