Job Application - How would you answer

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This is an a really different job application. How would you answer?

http://www.starlizard.com/positions/football-bet-placer/

  • A summary of your experience of betting. What type of bets interest you most, and why?
  • What would you consider to be your best-ever bet? Explain why you chose that bet.
  • What bookmakers or betting outlets do you use and why?
  • How you would go about making a living betting on sports for a year, how would you go about it? (Assume you have a reasonable starting bank.) Do you think you would succeed?
  • What did you achieve in your Maths GCSE?

If you haven't heard of Star Lizard

http://uk.businessinsider.com/inside-story-star-lizard-tony-bloom-2016-2
 
They email this to all people who contact them re positions as well as being on their site.

They are a fascinating company

I can't imagine that they would want gamblers working inside their walls, so question 4 would be the answer that would appeal most?
 
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They email this to all people who contact them re positions as well as being on their site.

They are a fascinating company

I can't imagine that they would want gamblers working inside their walls, so question 4 would be the answer that would appeal most?

Gamblers in the old sense of the world no but they certainly want people who bet.
 
What if you didn't do GCSEs?

Looks like they don't believe in the existence of the possibility that some countries don't do that particular exam. That's them off to a bad start.

They're also inviting people to lie about their betting activity.

What business is it of theirs who people bet with?

This looks very dodgy.
 
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What if you didn't do GCSEs?

Looks like they don't believe in the existence of the possibility that some countries don't do that particular exam. That's them off to a bad start.

They're also inviting people to lie about their betting activity.

What business is it of theirs who people bet with?

This looks very dodgy.

So essentially they're no different from any other company then? People lie about their activities/experience in order to get jobs all the time. Companies ask questions about stuff that is none of their business and assume that England is the only country in the world on a regular basis.
 
What if you didn't do GCSEs?

Looks like they don't believe in the existence of the possibility that some countries don't do that particular exam. That's them off to a bad start.

They're also inviting people to lie about their betting activity.

What business is it of theirs who people bet with?

This looks very dodgy.

Setting aside the Scotland discrimination for now :), I think they are probably more interested in the thought process behind your answers about betting rather than the accuracy.
 
Setting aside the Scotland discrimination for now :), I think they are probably more interested in the thought process behind your answers about betting rather than the accuracy.

I got a questionnaire like back in 2005 when I was on that show on RTE. The answer I remember most fondly was:

  • Name three mistakes you made in your life?
  1. Getting a girl pregnant
  2. Getting a girl pregnant
  3. Getting a girl pregnant
 
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Thanks, Slim.
Highlights the level the average football punter is taking on, and the sophistication of the markets they're playing in. No doubt our bookmakers feed off their prices the same they do off Betfair?
 
Thanks, Slim.
Highlights the level the average football punter is taking on, and the sophistication of the markets they're playing in. No doubt our bookmakers feed off their prices the same they do off Betfair?

I doubt any UK firm realize they are laying him until its too late in the P&L column! There was a rumour doing the rounds that Tony Bloom was behind Coral's decision to do away with their High Roller function.

The figures come after Ladbrokes reported a £51.4 million loss for the first half of 2015 after taking a £78.9 million charge largely due to a write-down in the value of shops in UK and Ireland and the cost of closing a number of them. The merger between the two firms is expected to create the biggest network of bookmakers’ shops in Britain, overtaking William Hill, though regulatory concerns may mean it has to dispose of some sites. Mr Leaver said: “The deal brings together two complementary businesses, each with strong positions in the UK and, together, an extensive international footprint.” - See more at: http://business-reporter.co.uk/2015...blow-with-earnings-hike/#sthash.vhI8keA7.dpuf
 
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This is an a really different job application. How would you answer?


  • A summary of your experience of betting. What type of bets interest you most, and why?

I started betting when I was 16. I had my first online/phone betting account by 17. I was around for Luvbet, the first firm to price all races overnight and the predecessor to Betfair, flutter.com. I always thought I would be successful at betting but it took me years to get it right and now I've probably come full circle. I've had some massive highs and lows but having burnt most of my outs I now consider myself some what in limbo. There are loads of edges out there but finding the one(s) that you can maximize your returns based on your available outs, bankroll and time is a hard equation to solve. Beating the exchanges is the one real goal I have never got on top of, its beat me. I'm not close to finding the correct bets in my artillery to use or the correct execution for it to be viable. It just doesn't fit my style. Its like asking Martin Kaymer to win at Augusta. He's a world class golfer but just not on that track.

The type of bets that interest me the most are the ones that no else finds. The bets you find in obscure markets or in markets that are undervalued by professional and savy punters. If you're willing to do the research you can find the answers to lots of markets the reason being you're probably doing more work than the guy pricing/cutting and pasting the prices. Irish EP bets, extra place races and extra place golf bets will always help to keep you ticking over but you need a bit more to make a real impact. A well informed, well researched or well structured extra place multiple is the real key to getting ahead. The rest of the bets just give you more bullets to load that gun. You ideally grind it out day to day and use your spare time to find a bet that will really make a difference. When you find that bet that uou must stake accordingly. Going skint in this spot with a medium sized tank is acceptable.


  • What would you consider to be your best-ever bet? Explain why you chose that bet.

I backed San Antonio to win the NBA Championship (€2,800-€600) in 2014. After they won the title I was still automatically clicking on Basketball on oddschecker in work everyday. I stumbled upon the WNBA (Women's Basketball) market. I looked at the conference markets with Ladbrokes and straight away knew that the place terms were wrong. After some research I soon discovered it was more wrong than I initially thought. There are 8 teams in each division with 4 teams making the playoffs. At 1/2 odds 1,2 that meant you were betting half the odds that the team made the playoffs and won one series to collect on the place part of the bet. The WNBA does not have parity among its teams. It was pretty easy to work out what the ricks were. I sought advice from a WNBA expert in Las Vegas, asking him what price he made each team to make the playoffs. Chicago Sky 7/2 (also 11/4)and Phoenix Mercury 2/1 were unanimously the bets based on both logic and maths. Phoenix ended up being 1/10 to place and Chicago were 11/10.

The next part was to find something to stick them in with as I was really only after the place, the win part of the bets was not in my mind. Vincenzo Nibali was 9/1 with Ladbrokes for the Tour De France 1/4 odds 1,2,3. Nibali was around 6/4 to place on the exchanges and looked superb value at 9/4 to place for my e/w bets. The World Cup draw was very lopsided and Argentina 7/2 1/2 odds 1/2 were shorter than 7/4 to make the final. Argentina was marginal but for the purpose of multiples it made sense. I was looking to do e/w trebles and 4-Folds with a mix and match of selections. I also got involved in Wimbledon with Lucie Šafářová 80/1 (1/2 odds 1,2) getting agonizingly close to placing losing in the semi final. Some bets also had Mexico and Belgium e/w in the World Cup. I also took 6/1 Atlanta Dream 1/2 odds 1,2 in the WNBA outright as they were trading 6/4 to reach the final.

The best part was getting on. I was a genius at it. Having worked for Ladbrokes I knew the limits for all the markets and also how to talk the staff members through placing the bets on their system. A few lads in work were trying to get on Nibali but were told there was no betting on it. I was able to instruct the staff to type his surname into the search function and off they went. I got the bets on across 5 Ladbrokes shops and I'm certain that Ladbrokes had no idea what the bet was running up for until the last leg settled. Mind you, I had to contact them myself to settle their conference markets! Getting the bets on was a serious high, they were absolute dynamite bets. I invested around €2,300 in all.

I watched the World Cup final with a victim off of POF (Plenty Of Fish). I didn't have any emotional reaction to Germany winning (or her removing her clothes for that matter) as getting to final was all I thought I needed. What I would come to realise months later was that one result cost me €80,000. Nibali had the Tour De France won in week 1. Phoenix Mercury were never getting beat in the the WNBA western conference. That meant I was sweating on Chicago Sky from a long way out. Their best player was injured most of the season and they barely made the playoffs. They came from 1-0 down to get it back to 1-1 in the conference semi final. In the decisive game 3 where a Chicago Sky win netted me €7,000 their opponents Atlanta Dream traded 1/100 in running. The Goddess Elena Delle Donne put the Sky on her back in the 4th Quarter and they stopped Atlanta scoring with the last shot of the game to win. They went on to win the Conference Final in a blowout game 3 against Indian netting me €23,000 total as I had a win and place treble up on Phoenix, Chicago and Nibali. I was left to wonder what might have been had Argentina prevailed.

It was some ride. I literally spent two months reading about WNBA and watching or following the score of every game. I read WNBA forums and followed their players on Twitter. It is insane what a serious bet does to you. After it was over I said to a friend of mine "What do I do with my life now?". A shoe box stuffed with €10k was no substitute for the buzz of having the bet running which was an important lesson in betting. I don't really care about the money, its just for keeping score.


  • What bookmakers or betting outlets do you use and why?
If you have a Bet365 account you have more opportunity than with any other account. They bet races to no margin on a Saturday. If you can find someone that understands the form and put that together with an understanding of the prices, you have one lethal combination.

Boyles and Ladbrokes shops are the easiest to try and get bets on with but it involves visiting shops which is not always possible. Ladbrokes have run me from a few of their outlets for the WNBA bets and other atrocities. Getting other people to place bets of using the exchanges are my only options now.

  • How you would go about making a living betting on sports for a year, how would you go about it? (Assume you have a reasonable starting bank.) Do you think you would succeed?

Would I succeed? Yes. Would it be a desirable lifestyle? No. I would just live in betting shops knocking off all the enhanced prices, extra places and special offers. I'd be doing small Lucky 15s full of arbs taking full advantage of the treble the odds one winner. You could grind out €100 a day but it would be a soulless existence and getting shown the door would eventually become a regular occurrence. You would be surrounded by degenerates and your emotions would be too closely linked to your betting balance for that day or week. There is also the option to try and trade on Betfair but my mindset would make me slight odds against to succeed long term. I'd much rather earn a decent wage, be surrounded by like minded people and use the ammo to take down a big pot. I'm not sure what advantage 'going pro' offers someone like me who is aggregating information rather than sourcing bets daily. I do find my own bets but not enough of them to not leverage my salary.

  • What did you achieve in your Maths GCSE?

Leaving Certificate C- (Pass Level)
 
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My best-ever bet was Belmez, ante-post for the 1990 Derby.

£100 at 50/1

£100 at 40/1

£5 at 33/1

A non-runner, but still my best-ever bet.
 
I think any question around GCSE's is quite pointless really, what you do at 15 barely has any reflection on where you might be at 30/40/50 etc.
I got a terrible grade in Maths (E) but had issues with the teacher who refused to help with coursework (which he was supposed to be doing) and said I needed to go back after school on a Wednesday if I wanted help. He was absolutely useless and he sent me out of class for asking for help. After getting into trouble with my form teacher and deputy head I complained about how useless he was and proved my point when he was observed teaching Maths and completely cocked everything up, which I had delight in pointing out. I had some decent teachers at school but he was terrible, I couldn't move classes unless I joined the dunces, which I refused so was stuck with this moron until he eventually got sacked (for being shite).

Fast forward 10 years and I completed a BA Honours Degree in Counselling and Psychology but as part of that degree I had to do 2 years of statistics and research methodology, which was more complicated than any GCSE Maths. I got 80% for my exam and 75% for my coursework (both grade A). I'm not particularly fast at mental arithmetic but that's because I like to think things through and work things out. I have a grasp of fractions, percentages and overrounds and do well beating SP. At some point I'll address that GCSE mark to prove a point to myself but I know my crappy E in Maths was not really of my own doing. There was a lad in my class who was outstanding at mental arithmetic but he got bored too easily and wasn't challenged. He could work things out in his head quicker than most of the class with a calculator. He was made out to be trouble but he just wasn't challenged enough and found it all too easy.
 
What is it about the exchanges, Slim, that you find hard to crack?

I have a similar problem myself and I think it's because they require more discipline than betting with a bookie. It's far easier to have an impulse bet on the exchanges.

Good set of answers, by the way.
 
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What is it about the exchanges, Slim, that you find hard to crack?

I have a similar problem myself and I think it's because they require more discipline than betting with a bookie. It's far easier to have an impulse bet on the exchanges.

Good set of answers, by the way.

Liquidity/efficiency is the problem. By the time the market is liquid enough to get a decent bet on, it's also pricing outcomes with more efficiency. Bookmakers you can pick off some early prices which are just wrong, but you can't do that with betfair.
 
My best-ever bet was Belmez, ante-post for the 1990 Derby.

£100 at 50/1

£100 at 40/1

£5 at 33/1

A non-runner, but still my best-ever bet.

On that basis, one of my best ever bets must have been Bourbon Street (or was it Prince) which I backed at 33/1 for the Triumph after it won a decent juv/nov hurdle.

Come the day it was 6/4 fav but the meeting was abandoned. The race was run a month or so late on fast ground so I switched to Connaught Ranger...
 
On that basis, one of my best ever bets must have been Bourbon Street (or was it Prince) which I backed at 33/1 for the Triumph after it won a decent juv/nov hurdle.

Come the day it was 6/4 fav but the meeting was abandoned. The race was run a month or so late on fast ground so I switched to Connaught Ranger...

That was 1978.

I was a penniless undergraduate with an ante-post bet on Midnight Court for the Gold Cup that year at 12/1.

Getting my money back when the race was re-scheduled was no compensation whatsoever.
 
On that basis, one of my best ever bets must have been Bourbon Street (or was it Prince) which I backed at 33/1 for the Triumph after it won a decent juv/nov hurdle.

Come the day it was 6/4 fav but the meeting was abandoned. The race was run a month or so late on fast ground so I switched to Connaught Ranger...

Thinking about this a bit further, I've got it in mind that it was Rodman, trained by Fred Winter, who was the short-priced Triumph fav when the race was abandoned, then rescheduled, in 1978.
 
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