John Durkan & Hilly Way Chase Cards

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edgt said:
this is a seriously good horse with ability beyond his current rating.
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Hopefully that will get put to the test. Was a poor Gold Cup this year and he was a tad fortunate to win the Punchestown Gold Cup.
Can't knock him but tougher dates ahead me hopes.
 
Frankel said:
Hopefully that will get put to the test. Was a poor Gold Cup this year and he was a tad fortunate to win the Punchestown Gold Cup.
Can't knock him but tougher dates ahead me hopes.
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End of of a long season. Says a lot about him that he won it given the Feb to April he had

looks like he has broken the mound of gold cup bottoming winners over his minimal desired trip these days
 
Can think of 19 renewals in past 20 years way better than last season's GC, the only one worse was Lord Windermere's. That happened mainly because past winners were either retired or injured/missing and a below-par version of Djak than the one placed twice the previous years. You only need an above-average novice to come through the ranks to win it this season and it seems Might Bite already showed the chops for being at least that.

As for Sizing John winning a Ryanair, if UDS is sent for another willy hilly in Ireland and Fox Norton runs in the CC and Yorkhill runs in the GC and Top Notch goes for the CC and Min gets injured again and if another 3-4 decent ones won't give their running, then I can see a way to get SJ win in the Ryanair.
 
granger said:
End of of a long season. Says a lot about him that he won it given the Feb to April he had

looks like he has broken the mound of gold cup bottoming winners over his minimal desired trip these days
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Yep can't knock his constitution. Performance wise he just has not blown me away.
 
Aughex said:
Can think of 19 renewals in past 20 years way better than last season's GC, the only one worse was Lord Windermere's. That happened mainly because past winners were either retired or injured/missing and a below-par version of Djak than the one placed twice the previous years. You only need an above-average novice to come through the ranks to win it this season and it seems Might Bite already showed the chops for being at least that.

As for Sizing John winning a Ryanair, if UDS is sent for another willy hilly in Ireland and Fox Norton runs in the CC and Yorkhill runs in the GC and Top Notch goes for the CC and Min gets injured again and if another 3-4 decent ones won't give their running, then I can see a way to get SJ win in the Ryanair.
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I dont think he was seriously proposing that Sizing John runs in this year's Ryanair...

With all due respect, Sizing John unbeaten over 3m+ and if you think Lord Windermere's Gold Cup was poor, not sure what you make of Syncronised who couldn't win a Midlands or Irish National but managed to scrape past giant bolster. much improved horse of course but you can pick holes in plenty of gold cups....sizing john's credentials are enhanced by fact he was a very high class 2m and 2m4 horse who stepped up to the big plate and delivered. all class. best mate didn't beat much in his gold cups either but doesnt take away from quality of the horse
 
Hindsight but not aftertiming. Kids party yesterday so only saw the results late one.

Un de Sceaux was 4/6 against Ballyoisin. 4/6. How did ye let this happen?
 
Tanlic said:
Nice 1 V sometime the obvious is so obvious you miss it:thumbsup:
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Cheers. Obviously 3/1 not so good given the respective SPs and Corals refusing to pay BOG as this was a special (straight double paid just over 5/2 when I placed the bet). Basterts


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HawkWing said:
Hindsight but not aftertiming. Kids party yesterday so only saw the results late one.

Un de Sceaux was 4/6 against Ballyoisin. 4/6. How did ye let this happen?
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Bollyosin jumped badly again (Fell last time he ran in heavy).........race was over after 3 fences tbh

I was going to lay Top Gamble but when I saw 4/6 just had to go with the value:) Thankfully
 
granger said:
Well he he has won 3 versions of the Gold Cup now and is only 7 so must have done something right.

it really is a bit simple to suggest he is doing everything the same bar not racing Douvan these days.
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Well if Douvan does not prove to be the best we've seen I can always change my name to Simon and sell pies :0)
 
If Ballyoisin ran his best race possible, he still shouldnt have been near 7/4 to beat Un de Sceaux
 
I felt some sympathy for Geraghty in that he clearly wanted to pull up because the horse was exhausted but punters would have been up in arms. At the same time he could be said to been endangering the horse's welfare by carrying on.
 
Rarely wise to measure a track's safety based on the performance of one horse, archie.

They were paddling through it, and I doubt it would have been allowed to go ahead in the UK.
 
archie said:
I felt some sympathy for Geraghty in that he clearly wanted to pull up because the horse was exhausted but punters would have been up in arms. At the same time he could be said to been endangering the horse's welfare by carrying on.
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What indication did barry give he wanted to pull the horse up. He did what any pro would have done with 2 to jump.

I felt he should pull him up when he clobbered the 3rd but had a change of mind when I saw he was going for it.

Most that criticised him did so after he fell as after timers always do.
 
Barry only had to negociate the last two fences to put a grand in his arse pocket, and only had to do it at the same pace he'd have trotted back to the unsaddling enclosure, no way was he going to pull it up.
 
remember Punchestown a few years ago running through a river ?
When advance sales and hospitality are on the line you do what you can ; people are free to withdraw horses or pull them up if they do not act on the ground.
How did Matt Chapman take to it all on ATR?
Missed it as I was there.
 
I called my friend in Ireland about whether racing would be on or not and his reply was "This is Ireland not poxy England where they cancel racing every time a cloud farts" :)
 
edgt said:
They lost the meet twice two years ago and it cost them a fortune, having put in 10k remedial work after the first flood only to lose all.
Hell or high water the meeting was going ahead, and river was bank high by first race.
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Thanks, Ed. It seemed almost inevitable that commercial considerations must have been paramount on Sunday.
 
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