Ken Bigley murdered

Desperate Dan,

To be honest I do feel more sorry for horses which get injured than for their jockeys.

The jockeys had a choice, the horses didn't.

I feel terribly sorry for Ken Begley - apart, arguably, from being in an aircrash, I can't think of a worse way to die, but he didn't have to be there.
 
I'm in my normal Friday-night-pissed-mode and I agree with most of what's being said...

I'd sent in an elite squad to 'take out' the b8stard leading the group that killed Bigley and the two Americans.

Mr Bigley's brother was superheroic on TV tonight.

Billy Connolly is TT but his remarks were OTT - I disown him.

I agree 110% with Terry.

Paul, be glad you didn't get that job. I applied 20-odd years ago and didn't get the job I was after. I reckon somebody up there was looking after me. Maybe he needed decent ratings too.
 
I'd sent in an elite squad to 'take out' the b8stard leading the group that killed Bigley and the two Americans.
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If it was that easy Mo I dare say they would have done so already. These groups are so hard to find. I suspect the SAS were trying to find his whereabouts from the day he went missing.

I'd definitely rather go in an aircrash than like Mr Bigley did. I hope he's in a better place now.
 
But has anyone who is widely reporting Connolly's comments actually heard them? I haven't, but this is Connolly's side of the story...

"STATEMENT REGARDING REPORTS OF REMARKS FALSELY ATTRIBUTED TO BILLY CONNOLLY ABOUT KEN BIGLEY

"Billy Connolly is angry and disgusted by reports that he joked about Ken Bigley being harmed.

"Billy's stage comments were restricted to pointing out the hypocrisy of some people including sections of the media faking concern about Mr Bigleys predicament while enjoying the drama of the tragedy and exploiting it for their own ends.

"Billy is saddened by any distress these false reports have caused Mr Bigley's family and he hopes that Mr Bigley returns home safely.
 
I have read many reports re what Connolly said and many letters such as those on the BBC website where at least 5 respondents were at the show.
Not one of them denied what he said.

I think the title of the thread which I was responsible for should be re - instated.

Why was it changed in the light of one posting when every other report claimed what Connolly said was true ?
 
Some people - evidently Bill Connolly is one of them - think every subject is fair game for a joke.

I disagree.

Re ''elite squads'' etc and revenge in general, anyone who ever watched The Long Good Friday should realise the simple point that film makes - you can't beat terrorism with violent force or commerce; fanatics don't obey rational rules.

Kill one, and his brother/friend just joins the next day, and I'm sure the civilian casualities in Iraq these past two years have prompted a flurry of recruits to Al Quaeda and the like from enraged bereaved relatives, who hate the West.

Loathsome though terrorists are, they invariably have issues, some of which just might be legitimate.

It is only when these issues are properly addressed (and I don't mean just caving in to them) that the world will become any safer from terrorism.
 
That implies that the entire Arab world is unsafe for Westerners, a fact that Jon will certainly not agree with. I applied for a job in Kuwait last year, partly for monetary reasons and partly to gain life experience. Had I been abducted and killed, I would like to think I would not be slagged for going and that there would be sadness when I die.
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Pee, re-read what I said - countries such as these - Dom managed to understand the post!

Nowhere did I say all Arab countries - the implication (which I thought too obvious to require definition) was those countries where terrorism is a major everyday problem - for example Afganhistan and certain Far Eastern states.


Dressing this very sad event up with platitudes about Mr Bigley 'helping the Iraqi people' doesn't help.

The likelihood of Pee being abducted in Kuwait, with all due respect, isn't statistically very likely - being abducted in Iraq or Afganhistan is.

221bar1 - most of my family have served in the Armed Forces, so I have just a valid an opinion on that subject as you. As to your other comment - whatever - I see it as being a realist but it's only one opinion.
 
songsheet - your response was not appropriate especially when you went into your verbal diarrhoea mode re tax exempt money etc.
 
What do you mean by 'shock'? I understand that to mean something that I haven't seen or experienced before or was unexpected. You may have an entirely different definition. As several other contractors in Iraq have suffered the same fate, then no, I am not 'shocked'. And it's so interesting, as I pointed out before, that this sudden rush both in the media and on here to to comment on these appalling acts only started because it was a British citizen that was murdered....

Yes, Dan, I am appalled but no, I am not shocked - satisfied? My views are very similar, though maybe not so well-expressed, as Ian's - it's a question of whether you're looking at the individual or whole picture.

I suspect that you are trying to infer that I am indifferent to his fate by your patronising use of the word 'slip' - I am not - but would it have happened if we hadn't invaded Iraq? I don't think so and like a few others on here, I made by views clear back then as to my opposition to this so-called 'war' and they haven't changed.
 
On the subject of money,I understand Mr Bigley`s pay was not the great sum many would have us believe.Good pay,yes...but certainly no fortune.
 
I had no intention of using any patronising words,as I suspect you well know.I am not going to get into any slanging matches with you so this will be my last post on the subject.
 
songsheet - your response was not appropriate especially when you went into your verbal diarrhoea mode re tax exempt money etc.
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221bar1


As you seem incapable of holding a reasonable level of debate with me without degenerating it into a personal attack there's no point in responding to your comments.
 
I started this thread and your immediate response is there for all to see.
It was inappropriate to say the least.

As for being incapable of holding a debate with you, it seems by the recent postings that others have the same problem.
 
You purposely wanted to start some kind of debate by putting such an obtuse title on the thread! I think you are being very unfair, I just can't help but feel that yourself (& one or two others) are deliberately trying to provoke a handful of us on here whenever you can, resorting to underhand jibes wherever possible.
 
SL Just because some people have a different view point doesn't mean they are trying to provoke people. They just wish to state their side of the discussion.
Which is what I thought this board was about.
This is not meant as provocation.
 
Far from wanting to start a debate, I posted information on what was a very important development on Mr Bigley's plight.
The response from your friend was provocative for all to see and I stated that I could not be bothered to discus it - it just wasn't a time to debate anything.

I am afraid that you will have to get used to your points of view being challenged which you may construe as deliberately provoking but to the fair minded will be seen as actual debate.
 
corect 221, it seems that there are people on this board that don't like their opinions challenged!! and then try to belittle others when they post their own opinion or topics. .....

So it seems there are a lot of people on here who need to grow up or don't thread on a given subject, if, as you will get others opinions on a/the given subject if the cap fits wellYOU wear it, its not aimed at a few on here but generalising.................

The same applies to jokes, if as you expect with it, its marked/posted as a joke, if jokes offend well don't read them!! simple really aint it, don't then come on here and try and make an issue if anything that is posted in the parameters of the boards rules/regulations etc and yes there are people on here who's threads I don't read and no doubt its mirrored, but it don't offend me thats the choiceYOU have........ :rolleyes:

MO sorry mate, wrong guy!! I thought I read somewhere he(B/C) liked a drop of the hard stuff!!!!! :(
 
I would love not to read your threads. It's just that they are ubiquitous, and infect every debate. They also have the appearance of an explosion in a canary factory.
 
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Just goes to show the knowledge I posses in order to participate in all debates :lol: :lol: :lol:

Just love giving yours!!!! a big miss also as they fail to inspire me one iota, and are normally of the dross type :lol: :lol: ..............

Where's that Simpsons guy then???? :lol: :lol: :lol: would that again show your immaturity? to all? grow up sonny :lol: :lol: and thread something of knowledge not dross as stated................

You ought to try and get another thread to stop people using smillies as you did once before just grow up sonny your acting like a big child :lol: :lol: ............
 
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