King George Boxing/St Stephen's Day 2017

Grasshopper said:
Vautour was running into a Cue Card at the height of his powers, and ran to a huge mark in defeat. He would have been thereabouts with the subsequent Gold Cup winner, if Don Cossack hadn't fallen. To me, that proves he truly stayed - he was just cut-down late by Brennan. They front two were also a country-mile clear of some very good horses.

But lets not go there again! :lol:
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Al Ferof was 13 lengths in back in third and was 9 and 14 lengths to Conti in previous years. The race was pretty much up the the standard but Don would've passed them by dozens of lengths had he stayed up, he was already passing CC at the second last. He destroyed CC when they've last met at Aintree and this wouldn't have been so different.
 
I was going to reply but thought better of it. BTW who the fook does Tizzard think he is? Jocking off Paddy Brennan who is one of the best out there...
 
Grasshopper said:
This is possibly the most hilarious thing I've read on a forum anywhere, ever.
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If someone finds something hilarious, means unconsciously knows its true ;)

I also wanted to say I agree with you reg. Vautour, but I knew you'd make a remark on what I said of Don..
 
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If you did know that, it basically makes you a common troll, doesn’t it? A clearly outlandish and unjustifiable statement, intended to provoke a response.

At least you’re consistent.
 
Its not unjustifiable statement when I've argued it, Don pulverized CC at Aintree and the distance he put between himself and him that day was also FROM around 2 furlongs to go. So its not hard to imagine Don staying on really strong to beat him by 12+ lengths in the KG, he beat CC by 25+ when they last met.

The fact I knew you're going to have an issue with it was because I directly quoted you when saying 'thereabouts with the subsequent Gold Cup winner' which is actually outlandish given the horse fell 2 out so your 'thereabouts' is pure guesswork as we don't know where he would've finished. We can only make an educated guess on what we know(the last they met: Aintree).

And yes I'm consistent in telling my opinion regardless of what you or others may think of it, just like you, so if I'm a troll..
 
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The claim that Don Cossack would have put dozens (plural) of lengths between himself and CC/Vatour, in the space between the second-last and the line, is unjustifiable on every imaginable measure.

Your line of Aintree form is built on sand, for the simple reason that DC was never off the bridle at Aintree, whereas he’d already been ridden-along for a half-mile at Kempton. And that ignores the multiple other factors that riddle your fantasist theory with more holes than the gable-end of an ISIS sniper’s nest.


Please start taking your medicine again.
 
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So, let me get this straight. You first used Don as a GC winner to say he was thereabouts with Vautour, now you're saying Don wasn't actually travelling in the race you're using as argument. Maybe you should take some medicine to get your thoughts straight.

The facts are, yes he wasn't travelling, the fast pace that Ruby set on Vautour got him off his element, but just after 3 out he was getting back into it and with 2 furlongs to go, just like Aintree, he could've put many many lengths up between himself and CC to the finish line. Don wasn't thereabouts at all, he didn't even complete the race. However, Ruby knows how to get classy middle distance horses to stay for 3+ miles, he did that with Kauto, he simply needed to wait and not go out in front like it was the Supreme..
 
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This is getting silly and it needs to be put to bed.

Augie you are talking shite Grassy your argument is coming from the opposite end of where it should come from.

Don Cossack has never been a bridle horse in his life he needs to be ridden to get into top gear. I have always said he would have won at Kempton but Augie ffs what aload of crap you are spouting.

To bring up Aintree is a joke. Cue Card was totally out of form and found nothing in that race. the 2nd 3rd and 4th never changed places and stayed the same distance between each other from 3 out.

For anyone to believe that the Cue Card who ran at Aintree of a lowly 163 and the won that won the King George were on the same form is complete and utter nonsense.

What is affect you are trying to get us to believe is that beating John's Spirit 159 at level weights by 4 lengths is in the same ball park as beating Vautour 170.

It is fair to say that Cue Card was in the worst form of his life at Aintree and the best form of his life at Kempton. The ratings confirm that as he was at an all time low after Aintree and an all time high after Kempton.

You really should learn to think outside the box Jack
 
The point I was trying to get across is not that DC was a bridle horse, but that he was a horse who was already fully extended in the KG, and therefore was not going to put 'dozens' of lengths between himself and two class-acts like CC and Vautour, in the final two furlongs at Kempton.

I didn't go into any of the many other reasons why the original claim was specious nonsense (some of which you have covered) because it would have been pointless - something confirmed by Aughex's subsequent reply.
 
Tanlic I didn't know you could claim a race is shite because the horses never switched places between themselves? :blink: Then you continue to argue the form of the race as if that was challenged by me, where did you see that? The claim that a horse with 2 furlongs left can extend to 25+ lengths is a reality, it happened.

No @Grass you didn't go into more reasons is because you didn't had any and the one you had I debunked. The GC winner was never thereabouts at the end of the 3 mile race, he fell 2 out, your whole argumentation fails. I used educated guess based on their latest performance in the same race, Don was a thorough stayer, he looked out of his place in the KG with a mile to go but at 3 out he was coming back into it. No one knows where he would've finished, some say its 5 lengths, I say 12+ lengths, it might've been more, its all speculation because the horse fell. You cannot use anything related to Don in that race, to compare with his future performance in the GC like you tried to do.

Vautour was a stayer because he didn't had a turn of foot, he was galloping at high speed which made him a brilliant middle distance horse and if Ruby hadn't sent him so early in the KG he might've gone home in front as well.
 
Not before making the case for Vautour staying, which is very simple, he almost won the KG by going very fast upfront. Non-stayers would've dropped out much earlier in that race. ;)
 
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Probably content more than pleased for me. I just think he's a better horse when leading . Nevertheless good 160 performance first time out and I am sure Mr Henderson knows what he's doing.
 
Next time well see him will be Boxing Day. Nicky has already said he won't go to Haydock. They might regret not taking it on though when they look back at the end of the season.
 
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