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In economic terms though our strength is as a trading nation (nation of shopkeepers). The nation we are most similar to in that respect is the Netherlands.

A bit rose-tinted that view imo, clivex. Financial Services and Oil apart, Britain sells practically bugger-all to anyone else, and barely qualifies as a "trading nation" outside those two industries.
 
Thats rubbish. Why are the left always so lazy? Barely had to look to find this info

Aside from this, UK is still world leading in industries such as advertising and pharmaceuticals

In 2007 UK exports were valued at £221bn.[68]
  • Food and drink exports were valued at £9.7bn (2005)[69]
  • UK total arms exports were valued at £7.1bn (2005)[70]
 
Thats rubbish. Why are the left always so lazy? Barely had to look to find this info

Aside from this, UK is still world leading in industries such as advertising and pharmaceuticals



In 2007 UK exports were valued at £221bn.[68]
  • Food and drink exports were valued at £9.7bn (2005)[69]
  • UK total arms exports were valued at £7.1bn (2005)[70]


Only a 24-carat plum like yourself would consider advertising a 'trade'. ;)

Sorry, I forgot about the Arms trade. I'll give you that one. Fuck it, you can have food and drink as well. Any more for any more?

I see you still have me pegged as "left". As a long-standing pal of yours, I just wanted to let you know that these labels sound like the common-room dribblings of a recently-pubescent Thatcherite teenie from 1981.

Is this merely coincidental, or have you always spoken like this since 1981? :D

PS. I'll also give you "lazy" but not for the reasons you mentioned.
 
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Forgot which topic I'd parked my question under, Grey, so sorry for tardy thanks for the response! I do wonder if unions really played such a strong part in securing better conditions for workers, or whether certain philanthropic models - like Port Sunlight, for example - were also a spur? Of course, no cottonmill owner did anything good for his workers that wasn't intended to increase output, but all the same, some men did seem to be enlightened and engaged in work reforms which impacted upon social improvements. Not enough, of course, as Mayhew's London Labour and the London Poor demonstrated horribly, and Hogarth's cartoons illustrated all too precisely. But there was an upswing, if you will, among the emerging moneyed middle classes to pull some of their sweating working-class fellows along with them. As every 'working class' family I observed or knew when I lived in Staffordshire back in the 1990s, there was little interest in unionism until Mrs T started kicking the coalmines into touch. They were busy being aspirational, adding a second car or fourth telly - nothing wrong with that, but it seemed that by then issues of class (based on wealth/income/materialist display) were pretty faded around the edges.
 
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Looks like Ed Milliband is going to get it ahead of his brother if you believe the betting.

Now the dust has settled about around this issue, I wonder how the family dynamics are now within the Millibands.. are their parents still alive and compos mentis ? One rather hopes not, as what an horrendous situation to find yourselves in as parents with two of your kids cometing against one another for this position....

Says rather a lot about them in itself, no ?
 
People like you grasshopper are a disgrace to thge nation. Sitting around smoking dope and watching old christy canyon videos all day. A spell in the army is what is required.
 
£7bn sold in arms in 2007 - Clivex, where can we find out what arms are sold, and to which countries? I know we've traditionally sold to various Middle East countries, and probably most of those we once colonized, but that's quite a bit of trade. Love to know who else is in the mix to buy.
 
I wonder how the family dynamics are now within the Millibands..

Fucking lethal i would imagine

Interesting reading the papers refelcting on this at weekend. Appears that DM was seen as a more than a bit haughty and calculating by many MP's whereas EM was seen as warmer and more approachable.
 
  • Food and drink exports were valued at £9.7bn (2005)[69]
  • UK total arms exports were valued at £7.1bn (2005)[70]
The very same bankers who got us into this "problem" are about to award themselves a total of £7bn in bonuses, does that not put your figures into perspective?
 
Much as i have little respect for bankers, that is completely unrelated. Like it or not, if the bonuses attract the best people and drive up profits and market share for the Uk banking industry, then the whole economy benefits. Also, 4 billion of that will be immediately taxed
 
Like it or not, if the bonuses attract the best people and drive up profits and market share for the Uk banking industry, then the whole economy benefits.

Question: have you been living in a small shed in Siberia since October 2008?
 
So how would you attract the best bankers? By offering lower bonuses than competitors?

For every Fred Goodwin, there are a good number who get the deals right and keep the london markets ahead of the game

They are often horrible people too, believe me.. but thats not the point

Over the decades the banking sector has been the biggest contributor to the uk economy. What happened three years ago cannot distract from that.
 
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I've read the link and I find it rather amusing that it states Jerusalem (at the time of Jesus) was a parasitic city. Interesting, then, that 'Jerusalem' has been chosen in lieu of the national anthem for the UK at the Commonwealth Games. Obviously, to Christ, 'Jerusalem in the highest' - not!
 
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Oh! I didn't realise that. How higgernorant! I suppose Scotland's got 'Yon Bonny Banks' and Wales has 'Delilah'?
 
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