Leopardstown/Limerick Christmas

Haha no worries mate it turned out to be what I expected in the end although Caroles Destrier spoiled the day somewhat. All the best I'll see if I can come up with something worthwhile for New years day at Cheltenham.
 
Fine few days racing

Plenty of upsets, not sure the Irish novices are too class but Delta Work looks very good and hopefully next destination sees a track soon

Delighted and relieved that Faugheen got up, that would have been awful.

Delighted for our forumites in with a chance of good cup glory. Good luck lads

Supreme are some outfit to source a horselads

The bumper today looked a very good race, winner will surely be sold in the next week
 
Very rarely do I call ''foul'', but it's difficult to believe what I witnessed today.
A top Irish racehorse (Samcro), aided by a leading trainer and jockey, wasn't given a near-positive enough ride to convince today's gd1 was anything more than a training session, and we were treated to the unedifying spectacle of a putative pacemaker (A rag, who led for most of the race, yet still had enough energy left to finish 3rd) setting such a test that 6 of the field could be covered by a blanket between the last 2 hurdles.
Thousands of the horse's supporters weren't given a reasonable run for their money and - more than just a blatant non-trier - the ride amounted to daylight robbery.
Sickened by the whole sorry fiasco, and it'll be a long cold day before I'll ever take an interest in Irish NH racing again.
 
Agree re-Faugheen granger watched the replays last night that fall was horrific.

Reet I hadn't watched the full race today I just caught the finish. Was it that bad ? I thought the Mooch would have scorched the turf, really surprised they've used Tombstone.

I'm always wary about getting involved over in Ireland the whole season just seems to be a prep for Cheltenham and don't get me wrong it seems to work for them but it for me has always been a punters graveyard over there.
 
By far the worst weeks punting I've ever had, but not due to foul play in my case anyway.

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reet hard said:
Very rarely do I call ''foul'', but it's difficult to believe what I witnessed today.
A top Irish racehorse (Samcro), aided by a leading trainer and jockey, wasn't given a near-positive enough ride to convince today's gd1 was anything more than a training session, and we were treated to the unedifying spectacle of a putative pacemaker (A rag, who led for most of the race, yet still had enough energy left to finish 3rd) setting such a test that 6 of the field could be covered by a blanket between the last 2 hurdles.
Thousands of the horse's supporters weren't given a reasonable run for their money and - more than just a blatant non-trier - the ride amounted to daylight robbery.
Sickened by the whole sorry fiasco, and it'll be a long cold day before I'll ever take an interest in Irish NH racing again.
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Ironic that you are claiming that Tombstone was ridden to achieve its best possible placing and not cut its own throat is a sign of foul play.

Thought Samcro came upside coming down to the last and finished so tamely that if anyone had punted on him, they would have lost their money whichever way the race was run.
 
Also, I cannot see what Samcro's performance was a training session for. My guess is that connections are sick.
 
I expect so also.
Supasundae was a shade unlucky but was caught for pace after second last.
Remember this race was always Hardy Eustace's worst run of the season, going may have been a tad quick for Samcro but very disappointing.
Finny Maguire stole the Bumper and has come of age this week with some great rides.
Barry Connell's winner in first race today visually the performance of the week; he flew the last ditch and went last to near first in 75 yards and flew home, at least a stone ahead of handicapper.
He looks tailor made for Close Brothers Novice Chase.

Delighted for Supreme Racing and all the pals here who are paid up members for lots of dreaming over the next few weeks; I remember recommending membership to one or two forumites so i do hope my seat on the dream express in Tatts is still open to me should the vacancy exist !

Forgot to mention Westerner Point at Limerick winning Tim Duggan chase for second time at 14/1.
He has now won 10 races and is not finished yet; delighted for all locals involved for whom he is the horse of a lifetime.
 
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It is worth noting that tombstone managed to finish 3rd due to getting an uncontested lead and being given 8 lengths at the start.

The challow also had an interesting start/non start today

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I imagine the Apple's Jade campaign will mirror the Vote for Brexit again campaign.
She will run in Champion Hurdle only if O'Leary decrees it and not for public, pubic or any other pressure !
(Forgive the typo !)
 
it is strange how they have spent the last 6 months trying to shoehorn their best Gold Cup chance for 2020 into a champion hurdler (and perhaps doing damage to the horses potential) when they have one of the few outstanding candidates for the Champion Hurdle in their care and seem to be making every excuse for her not to run.
 
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Also, I cannot see what Samcro's performance was a training session for. My guess is that connections are sick.
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I'd say it was decided - before the race - that Samcro couldn't win on that ground. and he was ridden for speed; maybe to glean his chances apropos the Champion Hurdle.
Whichever way you slice it, his whole profile suggests that he wasn't ridden to win yesterday's race, and that - alone - stinks to high heaven.
 
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I disagree. Even after the race I can't see how that is the case. The comments from O'Leary (whose horses are campaigned as straight as any owner imo) would suggest very different. Chances are we won't see Samcro again this season.
 
I would disagree with you reet -I have followed racing for nearly 40 years and cannot recall a horse of his calibre being declared unlikely to run again that season where injury isn't an issue and we still haven't seen New Year's Day.
 
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I disagree. Even after the race I can't see how that is the case. The comments from O'Leary (whose horses are campaigned as straight as any owner imo) would suggest very different. Chances are we won't see Samcro again this season.
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Tbh, HW, O'Leary's veracity has little to do with it, but if you can't see Samcro was ridden for speed, there's little point in continuing the discussion.

Luke - wrong poster.:)
 
All the same Luke, in 40 years racing you or I have not experienced an owner like Ml O Leary either.
Nothing wrong with hos jumping, he cruised up to win his race but was done for speed.
No major disgrace in the quickest 2 mile hurdle of the week, disappointing sure but no disgrace.
I also think Buveur D'Air may have bounced after Newcastle where he had an energy sapping race for which he was not wound up.
 
reet hard said:
Tbh, HW, O'Leary's veracity has little to do with it, but if you can't see Samcro was ridden for speed, there's little point in continuing the discussion.

Luke - wrong poster.:)
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Yeah, I've no idea what you are talking about. I've no idea what he was training for. Or why he was purposely stopped.

Here is Samcro leading (3f out) having chased down Tombstone with Supasundae before the second last. If he was a stayer (as you say and would be expected) he kicks on and doesn't get caught from there. That he hasn't is why Elliot and O'Leary are talking about retiring him for the season.
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Did you bet on the horse, maybe?
 
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I also think Buveur D'Air may have bounced after Newcastle where he had an energy sapping race for which he was not wound up.
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That would be an absolute bizzare conclusion to draw barely did more than a piece of work at Newcastle and time will tell that he got beat by a very good mare at Kempton or at least she's very good on a decent surface. Albeit you may well still get a different result in the Champion hurdle and Buveur to my mind is still more than a worthy favourite. Horses that bounce normally run very poorly rather than run well and just get done on the line.
 
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