Magnet Cup Day

betsmate

betsmate

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I've managed to luck out and get in on some hospitality on Saturday - hopefully keeping me away from the madding crowds. The only thing that those paying want in return, is for me to pick the winners. Unfortunately large handicaps and sprint races mean that I would be as well not turning up. Which is where this forum comes in. In return for my years of dedication to Talking Horses and the genuinely witty and insightful comment that I have contributed; I am looking for one small favour. Please can you tell me the seven winners? Thanks.
 
now then...about this witty and insightful stuff.......:lol:

i got winner of Magnet Cup..well its between two at moment...only 6 more for you to find
 
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As soon as you are on yourself I expect to see both posted up. Let the others get the rest.
 
its between Navajo Chief & Area Fifty One

..i put AFO up when it won last time..that race they finished first and 2nd in was extremely quick pointing to two horses at a stone + some ahead of the handicapper. AFO is 10lbs higher in this but still ahead of 97 imo

Of the two i think NC is a doubtful stayer tbh...I'll back both probably but would favour AFO at this trip
 
You can bet at other courses so what I would do in your situation would be to put up your nap as the last race at Newbury (say Sansili) which is ten minutes after York's last race so your can position yourself near the door - if he looks likes losing...scarper...if he wins hunt them up to the bar ahead of you!!!!:ninja:
 
1.55 Not my kind of race.

Common Touch - Off top weight but looks a York specialist. However form this season doesn't give much hope, especially with one of those defeats at York.

Tiger Reigns - I like horses dropping back in class. But no wins in nearly two years, coming back off an unsuccessful try over hurdles to a course where three attempts have failed to yield a top ten finish.

Levitate - appears to be in good form, but at a lower class and up yet again in the weights. The handicapper will get him soon.

Silvery Moon - Made the frame in four of last five include in a class 2. Coming off a win and the form pick of the race. Up six pounds and back up in class. Possibly.

Fighter Boy - looked a classy horse before his problems and is the only truly unexposed horse in the race. Form since comeback atrocious, but the fact that they are persevering and the prospect of better ground makes taking a chance at the 33/1 price the best of 12 bad jobs.

Toto Skylachy - Picks up the occasional win in class fours at Beverley or Carlisle but well exposed at 7yo. Beaten lto by Levitate.

Ginger Jack - sporadic turf wins have all come on GF although probably does act on different surfaces. 6lb higher than recent win over 7f. 3 wins in 21 is enough to leave alone. Could get there or thereabouts.

Oratory - last two wins (c4 and c5) snapped a horrible losing run. Both coming on GF and up 10lbs in 6 weeks. Needs to prove that they really have found the key to maintain progression back to level of two years ago.

Anderiego - 1 in in 13 and none in the last 10. Up in class. Fallon booked and currently favourite. Not for me.

Vito Volterra - Up 7lb for victory last time out, but did win off this mark just over a year ago. Acts on the ground. Had rarely been making the frame until that victory and well held by Levitate two starts ago, but 5lb better off at the weight today. Possible.

Majestic Dream - Two wins in 18 starts. Nothing this season or in previous starts at York. Looks held.

Assizes - 3yo who has shown some promise, but not really kicked on since debut win. Possible improvement yet, but hardly guaranteed.

Bet: Back the class, take a chance on a 33/1 shot to get the day of to a flyer. Pray for a miracle. Fighter Boy
 
!:55 Oratory and 2:25 Stormy Weather are the ones I'm keen on, Betsmate. Both tough handicaps though so I'm hopeful more than anything else, especially with how today went.

Oratory go's there bang in form, if you look at what he was rated a year or two ago, he's still really well handicapped considing he's won two on the bounce. The trainers hammered in a good few winners the last week or so.

If Stormy Weather is anything like as good now on the flat as he is over hurdles, he wins. It's tricky to row in with him but he's interesting if you're looking for a blot on the handicap.

Have a good day:)
 
2.25 Better than a sprint I suppose, still a handicap...

Mount Athos - two attempts on ground softer than good have both led to heavy defeats. Top weight. Up to career high mark after GF win lto.

Barbican - nothing great from 5 starts in decent company this season, but back down to a mark 2lbs lower than last win. 72l tailed off on only start on ground softer than good.

Crackentorp - up to a career high mark after some good recent staying performances with cut in the ground. Won here two starts ago. First attempt in listed class.

Blue Bajan - Admirable 9yo career pegged him as high as G2 quality. Campaigned around that class as a 10yo without ever troubling the places. First attempt in a handicap for quite some time. Looks to be on the downgrade though.

High Jinx - Unexposed 4yo who won a decent quality staying handicap lto. Likes cut in the ground. Suspect more to come, but has come up short in lower grades already in short career. Possible.

Never Can Tell - 4 wins in 13 including taking a valuable handicap two starts ago. Needs to prove himself on the going and back 5f in trip.

Motivado - One massively standout piece of form at the back end of last season is probably still only just about what is required this level. Nothing else remarkable.

Hurricane Higgins - promising start to career that soon plateaud. Has struggled on softer going.

Kiama Bay - Still 14lb higher than last winning mark and distinctly average so far this season.

Lyric Street - Lightly raced and has kept decent company. Needs to show more to win this race though.

Tepmokea - Decent performance lto, broke a run of disappointing efforts. Fairly exposed now at 6yo.

Bolivia - Win last time out in much lower class was first since debut. Needs more at this level.

Stormy weather - very nice flat form 4 years back before a career hurdling. Ground no problem. Nice handicap form over obstacles, it will be interesting to see how well reverts to the flat (unsuccessful when tried early in career). Definitely interesting.

Western Pearl - 1 win in 15 in a c5 round Ffos Las. 3rd in a listed race in the French provinces still not good enough for this.

Twin Soul - Non runner for the bookies.

Suraj - Well bred. 50% strike rate. Bottom Weight. Gets the trip. Won on soft. Biggest test yet, but expected to rise to it by the market.

Bet: With a lot of runners looking best placed below this level a chance has to be taken on the exciting Suraj. Stormy Weather very much the each-way dark horse.
 
3.00 I wish I was watching the cycling...

Fair Trade - Missed 4yo season, struggled since comeback. Top weight though getting seven. Needs to prove it again.

Navajo Chief. Exposed and lto was the day to be on. Back to a mark he has struggled off.

Kings Gambit - Genuinely tough horse, but 2-17 in this country and needs things in his favour. Easily passed over.

Prince of Johanne - very progressive over last two years, but up 14lb in last two races is going to be a big ask. Cut in the ground not likely to suit.

Mijhaar - third attempt of this mark now and expected to go close. Only once out of places in 6 starts (that in G2). 10f on GS should be perfect.

Alkimos - trip to Dubai hardly spectacular, but still lightly raced. Needs to prove this is a fair mark following 3yo win though G3 second just over a year ago good form in this context. Possible.

Memory Cloth - Difficult to say whether 10f will be best trip even though stamina not really in doubt. 3-figure mark to overcome for the first time.

Kirthill - Good win at the back end of last year, decent effort lto but yet to look like winning this year. Not impossible to see coming good.

Mid Mon Lady - Exposed and infrequent winner.

Nanton - 10yo and finding it hard to win now.

Area Fifty One - Progressive. Definite chance.

Right Step - consistently solid performer, but 2 wins in 28 tells a story.

Licence to Till - gradually improved throughout career, pocketing a decent pot at Chester last month. Still hard to believe he is anything all that special.

Stand to Reason - lightly raced and could still improve. Decent strike rate. ground no problem. Behind Licence to Till two starts ago and disappointing lto. Needs to kick on again to take this.

Pivotman - Followed Kirthill home last season but less to like overall.

Hillview Boy - 4th in this two years ago, but last win before that. Respectable performances on a couple of occasions this season, but more needed I feel.

Take it to the Max - Heavily penalised for a couple of decent wins in lower class at the back end of last season and has struggled since.

King's Warrior - A spell in the French provinces muddies the form card, but a couple of respectable efforts with cut in the ground on return to UK before two disappointing performances on quicker. A long way behind Area Fifty One lto. Could be a bit of an unknown quantity.

3 wins in 4 before finishing a 7l 5th behind Area Fifty One lto. Could improve again but a lot to prove in such a competitive handicap.

Tameem - Beaten 145l in 3 start this season.

Bet: Not hard to see why Area Fifty One will be popular with the profile and plenty of collateral form. King's Warrior interests as the each-way dark horse off a low weight with cut in the ground. Stand to Reason, Kirthill, Alkimos and Mijhaar are all dangers to differing degrees.
 
3:35 I presume they all just take turns to beat each other...

I really don't have the heart. So...

Narrow it down to horses deemed good enough by their owners to run in a G1 in their last six races. Then narrow it down to only horses that have won at York previously.

That gives us two:

The favourite and the second favourite. Odds compiling secrets exposed...

Hamish McGonagall - Sprinter, therefore may win or may not win.
Masamah - Sprinter, therefore may win or may not win.

Special mention to Ponty Acclaim. Still only three and already 3 wins on the northern sprint circuit backed up with a G3 win at Ascot. Would have fulfilled the criteria above, but for following home the unbeaten-in-four-starts Pearl Secret at York two starts ago. Biggest margin win came on GS and clearly on an upward curve.

Bet: I don't win. But I'll waste some money on Ponty Acclaim
 
4.10 Ah unraced 2yos, nailed on.

Nothing with form looks any good. Betting on the remainder will be interesting.

Blaine, Blaze of Enchanment, Garswood and New Rich would all be from sires who can get precocious, sprinty 2yos.

Bet If strictly necessary then the pin falls into either Garswood as Dutch Art is flying or Blaine for the Ryans.
 
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3.00 I wish I was watching the cycling...

Fair Trade - Missed 4yo season, struggled since comeback. Top weight though getting seven. Needs to prove it again.

Navajo Chief. Exposed and lto was the day to be on. Back to a mark he has struggled off.

Kings Gambit - Genuinely tough horse, but 2-17 in this country and needs things in his favour. Easily passed over.

Prince of Johanne - very progressive over last two years, but up 14lb in last two races is going to be a big ask. Cut in the ground not likely to suit.

Mijhaar - third attempt of this mark now and expected to go close. Only once out of places in 6 starts (that in G2). 10f on GS should be perfect.

Alkimos - trip to Dubai hardly spectacular, but still lightly raced. Needs to prove this is a fair mark following 3yo win though G3 second just over a year ago good form in this context. Possible.

Memory Cloth - Difficult to say whether 10f will be best trip even though stamina not really in doubt. 3-figure mark to overcome for the first time.

Kirthill - Good win at the back end of last year, decent effort lto but yet to look like winning this year. Not impossible to see coming good.

Mid Mon Lady - Exposed and infrequent winner.

Nanton - 10yo and finding it hard to win now.

Area Fifty One - Progressive. Definite chance.

Right Step - consistently solid performer, but 2 wins in 28 tells a story.

Licence to Till - gradually improved throughout career, pocketing a decent pot at Chester last month. Still hard to believe he is anything all that special.

Stand to Reason - lightly raced and could still improve. Decent strike rate. ground no problem. Behind Licence to Till two starts ago and disappointing lto. Needs to kick on again to take this.

Pivotman - Followed Kirthill home last season but less to like overall.

Hillview Boy - 4th in this two years ago, but last win before that. Respectable performances on a couple of occasions this season, but more needed I feel.

Take it to the Max - Heavily penalised for a couple of decent wins in lower class at the back end of last season and has struggled since.

King's Warrior - A spell in the French provinces muddies the form card, but a couple of respectable efforts with cut in the ground on return to UK before two disappointing performances on quicker. A long way behind Area Fifty One lto. Could be a bit of an unknown quantity.

3 wins in 4 before finishing a 7l 5th behind Area Fifty One lto. Could improve again but a lot to prove in such a competitive handicap.

Tameem - Beaten 145l in 3 start this season.

Bet: Not hard to see why Area Fifty One will be popular with the profile and plenty of collateral form. King's Warrior interests as the each-way dark horse off a low weight with cut in the ground. Stand to Reason, Kirthill, Alkimos and Mijhaar are all dangers to differing degrees.
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Interesting perspective, BM. Since we seem to agree on AFO, I might go in double-strength on it!
 
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