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Has anyone been?

Any recommendations?

I'm thinking it may be worthwhile for a week as it's different (to what I'm used to), plenty of cultural interests (Fez but more so in a general sense), intriguing (Marrakesh), great food, nice places to stay which you won't find in other places (Riads), cheaper than Europe, French speaking, treks (Atlas mountains) and other things.

Is it easy to have a drink somewhere? Not looking to go out on the piss, but a couple of drinks now and then is nice on holiday. I realise this needs to be done with bearing in mind where you are.

How would you go about meeting folk (presumably 'westerners' to have a beer with, and hopefully some western ladies)? Show up at a hostel bar (will definitely not be staying in a hostel).

Thanks in advance.
 
It's a very popular destination for all ages and types, Hamm, but don't forget there has been recent very unpleasant unrest. Two different sites you might like to take a dekko at:

http://www.forum.virtualtourist.com (and then go to the Morocco chat) Mostly younger people asking all sorts of questions - replies are to the right of the posts.

http://www.morocconewsonline.com - newspaper in English giving you all sorts of updates on the country and feature articles. Listings for what's on, etc.
 
Mate of mine went last year, Hamm. A week in Marrakesh and a week in a Med resort. He said it was top notch.
 
Friend of mine went a couple of years ago and hated it. Hes been all over the place too and not afraid of third world shitholes either
 
Found the locals surly, suspicious and rude. Hes far from being prejudiced and takes as he finds. That wouldnt necessarily bother me too much but he was just abit underwhelmed by the whole place
 
I found the locals very friendly and helpful, not a patch on Istanbul though which is the friendliest city I've visited.

I liked Marrakech but 2-3 days is all you need imo. Wouldn't be a place I'd visit alone either, not much for sole travellers that I saw.
 
Not for me. Know of too many people ended up in hospital having gone out there, and only ever not disliked one Moroccan and she was my cleaner. Before ye all pile in with the boot, I lived 12m from Morocco for over 4 years so have quite a bit of experience in that department.

Oh and I have it on good authority and many times over that Tangiers is a hole.
 
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Where should I go then?

I am always drawn to France but am trying to force myself to do something different. I know full well I will end up somewhere in Provence as happy as a pig in shit..
 
Turkey. Fantastic places to see like Derinkiyu cave villages, the amazing Gaudi-like rock formations of Cappadocia, and Istanbul is very sophisticated, multi-cultural, and vivid. Foreign visitors are made most welcome and you'll find bazaars where the locals shop. Try a nice outdoor cafe with Turkish blokes smoking hubbly-bubblies, eat Turkish food (especially try the baklava, local pastries with pistachio nuts), admire Turkish girls - and visiting ones in the night clubs. You can get plenty to drink, so don't think you run the risk of being dry for the week.

Loads of boat trips on the Bosphorus or just Google up the country and check out their very reasonable and well-maintained beachside resorts. It's donkeys since I went, but I was pleasantly surprised throughout the visit.

Things to buy, if you must: leather goods like jackets and boots.
 
Thanks for the suggestion, I'll look into it.

Syria was my big plan for the year but that's obviously out. Is turkish food comparable?

Have you been?

Lebanon would be interesting as well ..
 
Yes, was driven through Turkey by a boyfriend who'd picked up a Merc in Frankfurt, and took it back to Saudi. I'm sure the country's more sophisticated than 25 years ago, but friends have a holiday apartment out there and go two or three times a year. The weather's fabulous and there is just such a variety of scenery to see. Just Google 'Istanbul' and you will see loads of famous sites.

Only been to Beirut and that was seriously years ago, about two weeks before the big troubles started. It was always the fashionable and smart city of the Middle East, used to have casinos and top night clubs and a beautiful marina. Of course, the civil war and then wars with Israel have flattened a lot of its lovely old architecture since the 1970s, but it has rebuilt itself into a very smart city even now. The Lebanese are both Christian and Muslim - they are all very accepting of foreigners, having hosted an American university and schools for decades in the city, and the urbanites are smart and talented, many having been to American and European universities for a wide variety of degrees. Vast amounts of hospitals throughout the Middle East are populated by Lebanese doctors and nurses, and they excel as engineers on Gulf contracts. They have a great SOH, and you should have a good time with them.

Turkish and Lebanese food is very similar - in fact, you really can't tell it apart. Expect feta cheese, chunky salads with tomatoes and cucumbers with yogurt and mint, khubz - hot flat bread straight from the clay ovens (much, much nicer than the store-bought pita here, more like a thinner version of Indian naan), lots of lamb and chicken dishes, some fish, and while the hotels will serve steak and pork, it's with lamb and chicken that the recipes excel. A famous and favourite dish is Imam Bayeldi - you can Google that if you want the recipe! That's also a fave in Iran but not particularly the rest of the Gulf. It means 'the imam fainted' - at delight at the dish!

Lebanon has, like Turkey, a healthy agricultural sector, and so there will be no problem with obtaining fresh veg and fruit to eat. Olives are a speciality - if you like them, you'll be stunned at the types of both green and black ones in the markets, stuffed with all sorts of goodies like almonds (I don't like olives, but these were gorgeous), anchovies, peppers, cheese, tomato, etc. Turkey does grilled sardines (the size of trout) beautifully and both countries will serve you the most succulent lamb kebabs ever. Out on the pavements, you'll see the kebab spits rotating and the shopkeeper carving a fresh kebab for customers. Fresh-cooked falafel to take away in a brown paper bag - absolute heaven. Dates - big, fat ones, nothing like those flattened Tunisian 'Christmas' ones - again, there are many ways to eat them. I used to prefer the "noos-a-noos" - half-and-half - the top half has ripened, the lower half is still scrunchy. There are different varieties of dates, too, and again you'll find some stuffed with blanched almonds. Almonds are grown extensively in both countries, and they export loads of sugared almonds, which are delicious. You've also got to try real Turkish delight in either country! It's called "layqoom" in Turkish and you'll be served something very far removed from Fry's version.

You must try the coffee as served local style (in either country) - tiny cups like shot glasses, often flavoured with cardomom. Tea, served also in small glasses, not cups or mugs, flavoured with sugar and mint. Three servings is considered the etiquette, after which you turn your little glass upside-down. You don't actually have to do that, of course!

Beirut is also splendid for Dubai-style shopping, if that's what you'd like. Gold shops by the zillion. It's mostly 24 or 18 carat and the stones will be very high-class. Much of the workmanship is done in Italy. Boutiques are much favoured and all the designer names are out there. The city has a strong cosmopolitan feel to it - lovely boulevardes, palm trees, boat trips, diving off the beaches, fishing if you want it, water sports.

Blimey - I could hop on a plane tomorrow!
 
Tangiers is indeed a shit tip, beyond a shit tip actually but Marrakech is nice if touristy. Head good things about Essaouira, amazing seafood apparently.

I'd love to see more of Turkey, I've only been to Istanbul and whilst I loved it I've heard it's a lot different from the rest of Turkey.

Lebanon is a place I'd really like to go to. Dom Joly's book The Dark Tourist has a good chapter on it.
 
An elderly chum is off to Turkey next week for her daughter's marriage to a Vietnamese chef - it'll be beachside, but she couldn't remember the damn name of the place. Anyway, they've been before and they love the place. Istanbul is to Turkey as London is to England, really, Gamla - very cosmo - busy, noisy, buzzy, with all sorts of cultural possibilities from the museums (must see if open, Topkapi Palace - closed when we went through), exhibitions, relics, and the Bosphorus serving rather like the Thames in providing boat trips and views of all sorts of shipping plying back and forth. Fascinating in its own right - definitely you want, if you just have a week, two full days exploring. Cappadocia must be seen! You just marvel at the wind-made rock formations, the colours, and how the hell people ever got up into some of them to make their retreats.

Lebanon is rather like Egypt in terms of sophistry and lovely coastal and inner landscapes, plus Roman ruins, but without the constant begging and scamming street kids.
 
That's another very good choice, G-G. Petra really is beautiful (I did go there on a trip from Saudi one year). You just have to marvel at how the Nabateans carved the rocks so finely, and to such heights. Imagine wobbling around on rickety wooden scaffolds while you bash the sandstone into shape! In Jordan, a visit through the Vale of Jezreel is also lovely, early morning on a coach. A real sense of some of the biblical places which, apart from a tar road, don't look too different from 2,000-odd years ago. Donkeys and goats roaming around with their shepherds at little roadside watering places. I found the accommodations pretty basic (busted windows, cold water, pretty grim food), but the entertainment by dancing boys dressed as girls made up for it!
 
Parts of Cornwall are lovely - I'd swerve some of the inland and definitely Hayle and Redruth. I lived there for a few years and the only trouble with the county is it's full of the Cornish. Sly, unhelpful, prying, opportunistic, back-biting inbreds. St Ives has turned itself into a tricksy tourist trap where the visitors ("grockles") are tolerated until September, when the place closes itself down, the holiday home-owners bugger off back to Birmingham, and the Cornish can then turn on themselves again, resuming the court cases they've put on hold over the summer.
 
Maybe the Land that God Forgot has changed in 40 years, Colin, but as it's spent centuries getting to where it was back in the 1960s, I rather doubt it. My mother was recently widowed and we went to live in Carbis Bay, just over a mile out of St Ives. Bought a house with the most stunning views over the Bay, and yes, I did love cycling to the Hayle Estuary to do birdwatching, and that was it. Every single bastid workman (all locals) tried to rip her off, botched jobs, left for days without a word, were surly and ungrateful sods. I worked for a local estate agent during one winter and a solicitor the next - the Cornish who came through their doors were all at each other's throats with summonses, evictions, court orders by the sackful. The agent I worked for was good fun but got his pound o'flesh out of his employees - and was later convicted for fraud. No, I left truly unimpressed by Daphne du Maurier's picture of the place!

Devon, however, was an entirely different kettle o'fishies - never met a Devonian I didn't like and couldn't get along with. Helpful, kindly, hospitable, jolly - can't say enough good things about my years there.
 
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I'm off to Tunisia next week!
all inclusive, I've been most places, but not here! I know about the unrest and also aware that you don't want to mingle in the out of the way places, however the hotel we are in is at the end of the sand on the beach,
so will just walk to and from the sea, eat and drink non stop and generally do nothing for 11 days.
This would have been unbearable for me five years ago, lying about doing nothing!!! but recently I've been working 7 days a week all through the bank holidays, so I want to just do nothing. I'll let you know if I recommend it when I return.
By the way it is virtually half price to two years ago at the moment due to the recent unrest.
 
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