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excellent news for followers of this filly she has been moved to the pride of the north mark johnson where no doubt she will be given every chance of winning a few races

may miss the coronation stakes though
 
Yes, the owners must like her. I'm sure she will get the kid gloves treatment from Braveheart.
 
That's tough on Channon, and undeserved.
Are the owners Northeners I wonder? Maybe they wanted her closer to home
 
Originally posted by Headstrong@Jun 10 2008, 12:15 PM
That's tough on Channon, and undeserved.
Are the owners Northeners I wonder? Maybe they wanted her closer to home
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Yes northern DUBIA Headstrong!!! Sheikh Hamdan Bin Mohammed Al Maktoum :D :D

It maybe that Channon and Hughes was not a happy combination as Spencer had won on her, and personally I have her in a few lines of TTTF and out of choice would prefer her in Johnstons yard...................
 
Jaber Abdullah owned her last season, but maybe the new owner, Shay Camden, hails from up north.
 
Clearly Nahoodh hasn't just changed yards but owners too ~ she was owned by Jaber Abdullah.

Edit ~ Grey beat me to it ~ she did race in both Guineas for Jaber Abdullah btw
 
Ah well if she's changed hands that no doubt explains the move.

Tough luck on MC though, esp after losing Treat - who looked like she might have picked up an injury last night at Ponty on her first run for Ed Dunlop
 
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Just thought I would clear all this speculation up before we get the, they weren't happy with Channon bollocks.

Sheikh Mohammed bought her for his cousin, who he now buys everything for, or his wife and then the horses go to Godolphin if any good, if not stay with trainers.

They purchased off Jaber and this was bought 2 days after the 1000 Guineas (English). Mick was told she would eventually go to Godolphin, but would not be in his yard after the Irish as they don't have any horses with Mick. So as far as the yard thought she would join the boys in blue. However she has gone to Johnston as Godolphin didn't feel she was good enough for their operation just yet. She was bought as a breeding prospect.

As for Treat Headstrong you are miles off the mark. Mick advised Highclere to retire her saying that she was fed up with racing and that she was going backwards, they disagreed and sent her to Ed Dunlop who has taken nearly 10 months to get her to the track, she went to him in September. However she again ran like a drain last time.

Orizaba has already been purchased by Sheikh Mohammed for his cousin as well but as agreed in this sale, he stays until the Coventry and then will join Godolphin if he wins, or stay with Mick if he doesn't.

Just thought I would end this to be "mick channon cant train thread".
 
Originally posted by rorydelargy@Jun 10 2008, 11:30 AM
Clearly Nahoodh hasn't just changed yards but owners too ~ she was owned by Jaber Abdullah.

Edit ~ Grey beat me to it ~ she did race in both Guineas for Jaber Abdullah btw
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She never, she ran in the Irish for new owners, Jaber sold her 2 days after the English Guineas.
 
The Godolphin 3-y-o miling fillies barn is packed to the rafters at present to be fair so you can see why they wouldn't want a Lowther winner and unlucky Guineas 5th.
 
Originally posted by Sheikh@Jun 10 2008, 05:22 PM
Chris what time zone are you drinking in :what: :D
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I am in Spain but I could see where this was going, and I think I would back Channon on anything. Sound bloke, good trainer, top man, slated by many for no reason, jelousy sometimes springs to mind.
 
Originally posted by chrisbeekracing@Jun 10 2008, 05:09 PM
Just thought I would clear all this speculation up before we get the, they weren't happy with Channon bollocks........
As for Treat Headstrong you are miles off the mark. Mick advised Highclere to retire her saying that she was fed up with racing and that she was going backwards, .....
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Chris: I didn't express any opinion on Dunlop moving Treat, or the sale of Nahood except to say I thought it was hard luck on Channon to lose them! I'm not one of the Channon knockers, in fact I've said only lately how well I think he's done with eg Youmzain

And my only knowledge about Treat last night was listening to a radio commentary when they said she might have been injured as the jock eased her and looked down, so I don't know why [in my case at least] you are getting so hot under the collar.
 
Heads;

Tough luck on MC though, esp after losing Treat -

Those were the words you used, hence expression you felt he lost Treat, when actually he asked the owners to remove her for reason's explained above.

David Johnson;

Go On Be A Tiger, has always been slow and always will be, no trainer would have done any better with him. Just becuase he was expensive and flashy bloodline, doesn't mean it can gallop.
 
Chris ~ this was never a Channon bashing thread after the initial comment from Prince Regent; even Mick's biggest critics wouldn't see a move to Mark Johnston as a positive step. I realise that you wanted to ride to the rescue, but the job was already done, despite a false start or two.

Similarly with Headstrong's comments re Treat ~ her transfer to Ed Dunlop reflects poorly on her owners, not Channon, and that's what was pointed out. People will see that she has left and gone elsewhere and will draw their own conclusions, which is why it was considered tough on Mick.

I know his training methods and record with bringing on his 2yos have been slated on here, but it's not jealousy and this thread shows that people know when to symaptise as well as criticise.
 
Chris - fair 'nuff - thanks for the extra info - I didn't know MC had suggested her retirement, it was was easy to assume from what the owners said that everyone had been in agreement to keep her going, just that they decided to try another trainer...

As you know, I take a particular interest in her as the breeder is a chum. He certainly won't want to see her going any further backwards! As he once remarked: although obviously he'd have liked to see her placed in the Guineas, and her busyish 2 yr old career just "may" have cost her that, a 2nd in the Fillies Mile is not to be sneezed at! So he's grateful to MC for that.

Your loyalty to MC is much to be admired - and based as it is on many years firsthand knowledge I feel a few others here should take note, esp as he's not the only trainer of whom you've first-hand experience. I can vouch from many conversations with you, that you would never agree with 2yr olds being pushed to a degree which compromises their welfare.

Sometimes people just parrott stuff they have heard elsewhere.....
When a 'trusim' like that takes hold it's very hard to eradicate it
 
One thing I will say is that I go down to Mr Channon's quite a bit and believe me its changed loads in the past 5 years. Ten years ago I would admit we were extremely hard on our juveniles it was a case of make em or break them, however in recent years Mr Channon has looked after the backward ones and still observed no credit on that fact.

I used to ride a horrible horse who was so close to breaking down, one morning I slammed my tack on the floor refused to ride it and threatened to quit if the horse cantered as it was fucked behind, Channon just nodded and said put her in boy.

He ain't ruthless and if he knows someone who was long standing was willing to walk then enough was enough with the horse.

The string has shrunk, the quality has grown and technically his methods have changed.

I'm not one for cruelty but I preferred the Channon ten years ago to now. There was none of this don't run them, give them another week. The way I view it, is if a horse can't stand training it shouldn't be trained. Being easy on one or buttering it up, only delays the inevitable.
 
But some of them grow a lot more quickly than others at 2 - and those which take time to 'grow into their frame' can be broken down by being hard trained when they don't have the bone to carry it, surely? Whilst 'early types can stand it but often don't go on from there... A good trainer imo knows which is which - I'd say it's an essential part of his job

We've had the instance of Tredegar recently, a very well bred colt whose siblings had all won - when Clive Cox had him, he stood off during his 2yr old season - said he just wasn't ready for full training (in spite of some pressure!), and finally ran him in August and Sept. Clive always takes the long view. The colt was taken and given to Paul Cole who then did hard-train him, winning two races quickly; but the colt developed a fracture which didn't show til the spring; at which point after one poor run in April then two last places in May in his 3 yr old season he had to be taken out of training.

He's now gone to Grace Muir's! He's fercked... what a waste. No-one will ever convince me that Clive wasn't right to stand off him and let him strengthen up - as he did with eg New Seeker who had just one 'educational' run right at the back end, at 2.

I just don't believe that ALL TBs can or should be hard-trained at 2. One trainer I know will press on with the cheap ones at 2 fairly regardless, as they don't justify the training fees unless they are 'in training', but will back off a good 'un if he thinks the horse needs to mature. One rule doesn't necessarily fit all
 
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