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Is it a crime for bookmakers to treat big punters to days out? Give them rebates? https://www.starsportsbet.co.uk/simon-nott-vip/
No crime to treat some punters as a VIP
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Diamond Geezer
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Well if you can't see a problem......................
Bookmakers are making huge efforts to protect the vulnerable.
Simon I've liked a lot of your stuff and interviews on here but this is utter garbage.
Bookmakers have been FORCED to make some half arsed efforts to protect the vulnerable. They as in "the firms" would rinse everybody, leave them in the gutter and not bat a friggin eyelid. I'm battered with e-mails come play the slots, try our casino, £2 free bet on the virtuals by firms that won't lay me one banana to two banana. I find it harder and harder to find the withdraw buttons on accounts but the deposit button is always right there smack in your face it even has its own pop up as heaven forbid you have an account that's empty ? Where's the pop up window to say hey man there is 3 grand in your account perhaps you'd like to withdraw some of that and take the Mrs for a nice dinner... I want that pop up window when I'm in frenzy mode, and I'm now even asked by Ladbrokes am I bloody sure I would like to withdraw, they don't ask me if I'm sure I want to friggin deposit !
Putting a sign up in a shop when the fun stops....Stop. Well perhaps when some guy is beating the **** out of a machine and swearing at staff that might be a sign that he's all fun'd out ! But lets not ban the ****** eh ? Maybe next week he'll read the sign. Vegas take the clocks out of the Casino's and free drinks all round what a kind and generous bunch they are its a wonder they break even ! Jesus wept.
I could go on all night ....but I wouldn't waste my breath. For someone who has produced some really interesting stuff that is really bloody poor. The people at the top of gambling businesses are ruthless *****. Top business people and they don't give a hoot who's lives get ruined, and who gets crushed as long as the dollar keeps rolling in and the share holders are happy. That might be true of a lot of businesses these days unfortunately but lets not dress it up as anything other than that.
Simon I've liked a lot of your stuff and interviews on here but this is utter garbage.
Bookmakers have been FORCED to make some half arsed efforts to protect the vulnerable. They as in "the firms" would rinse everybody, leave them in the gutter and not bat a friggin eyelid. I'm battered with e-mails come play the slots, try our casino, £2 free bet on the virtuals by firms that won't lay me one banana to two banana. I find it harder and harder to find the withdraw buttons on accounts but the deposit button is always right there smack in your face it even has its own pop up as heaven forbid you have an account that's empty ? Where's the pop up window to say hey man there is 3 grand in your account perhaps you'd like to withdraw some of that and take the Mrs for a nice dinner... I want that pop up window when I'm in frenzy mode, and I'm now even asked by Ladbrokes am I bloody sure I would like to withdraw, they don't ask me if I'm sure I want to friggin deposit !
Putting a sign up in a shop when the fun stops....Stop. Well perhaps when some guy is beating the **** out of a machine and swearing at staff that might be a sign that he's all fun'd out ! But lets not ban the ****** eh ? Maybe next week he'll read the sign. Vegas take the clocks out of the Casino's and free drinks all round what a kind and generous bunch they are its a wonder they break even ! Jesus wept.
I could go on all night ....but I wouldn't waste my breath. For someone who has produced some really interesting stuff that is really bloody poor. The people at the top of gambling businesses are ruthless *****. Top business people and they don't give a hoot who's lives get ruined, and who gets crushed as long as the dollar keeps rolling in and the share holders are happy. That might be true of a lot of businesses these days unfortunately but lets not dress it up as anything other than that.
edgt
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I met an acquaintance from my Uni days the day Annie Power fell at Cheltenham.
It was before the first race.
He told me there was a guy at his hotel who was a "guest" of a major bookie (sshhh you know who), bookie's rep at his beck and call
So the night before racing there is a group of eight or so in the lounge having a sociable drink when Guest pipes up *I'm Thinking of placing a bet tomorrow *
Rep opens i phone and to cut a long story short accepts a 50K bet on Annie at evens, the quoted price being 8/11.
The others ask for the same price which the rep allows to a max 500 per man once they have a balance in bookie's account to cover bet or cash up on the spot, no credit,, no cheque.
Anyways we know what happened. The Guest was reckoned to spent a large six figure sum annually for his week at the Festival.
Another "Industry Face" is said to the first person likely to visit Naul after Euromillions draw result, with a view to extracting as much of the jackpot as is possible.
That another should own a horse called "Band Of Outlaws " is apocryphal or an example of art imitating life is another matter.
It was before the first race.
He told me there was a guy at his hotel who was a "guest" of a major bookie (sshhh you know who), bookie's rep at his beck and call
So the night before racing there is a group of eight or so in the lounge having a sociable drink when Guest pipes up *I'm Thinking of placing a bet tomorrow *
Rep opens i phone and to cut a long story short accepts a 50K bet on Annie at evens, the quoted price being 8/11.
The others ask for the same price which the rep allows to a max 500 per man once they have a balance in bookie's account to cover bet or cash up on the spot, no credit,, no cheque.
Anyways we know what happened. The Guest was reckoned to spent a large six figure sum annually for his week at the Festival.
Another "Industry Face" is said to the first person likely to visit Naul after Euromillions draw result, with a view to extracting as much of the jackpot as is possible.
That another should own a horse called "Band Of Outlaws " is apocryphal or an example of art imitating life is another matter.
redundant pal
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Bookmakers are no different to any other industry in that they are in business to make a profit.
However, to say "Bookmakers are making huge efforts to protect the vulnerable. It’s a shame that newspapers pander to jealously and people looking for an excuse for an individual’s failings with lazy poorly researched verging on hysterical features" shows a complete ignorance of your subject matter.
However, to say "Bookmakers are making huge efforts to protect the vulnerable. It’s a shame that newspapers pander to jealously and people looking for an excuse for an individual’s failings with lazy poorly researched verging on hysterical features" shows a complete ignorance of your subject matter.
Desert Orchid
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I have no issues with bookies schmoozing money off wealthy gullibles. I sometimes wish I knew how to do it.
The rest of the item is, as everyone appears to say, shite.
It seems long gone are the days when bookies genuinely did make an effort to do something worthwhile for loyal customers.
My first experience of a hospitality day was about 30 years ago. Ladbrokes were the sponsors of the Haydock Sprint Cup and I was an account holder. I got a letter one day offering:
Car parking ticket (not required)
Lounge in the Makerfield Stand
Bucks Fizz reception
Timeform card
Racing Post
Guest Speaker (Willie Carson, as it turned out, so it really should have said 'Guest Shite-talking Chalk-eating Cackler")
Four course lunch with unlimited wine (yes, seriously)
Afternoon tea
Access to betting facilities
£18 per person.
Seriously.
£18 per person. The brother and I went.
It was the best day I ever had at the racing and I can't remember if I ended up in front on the betting.
The next year it was £28. Still great value. We took our wives. Another great day. They got to ogle Cash Asmussen in the winner's enclosure and still talk about it.
The next year it was £38. Starting to look pricey but the four of us went again and had a good day out.
The next year it was £58 and we said fvck it.
The rest of the item is, as everyone appears to say, shite.
It seems long gone are the days when bookies genuinely did make an effort to do something worthwhile for loyal customers.
My first experience of a hospitality day was about 30 years ago. Ladbrokes were the sponsors of the Haydock Sprint Cup and I was an account holder. I got a letter one day offering:
Car parking ticket (not required)
Lounge in the Makerfield Stand
Bucks Fizz reception
Timeform card
Racing Post
Guest Speaker (Willie Carson, as it turned out, so it really should have said 'Guest Shite-talking Chalk-eating Cackler")
Four course lunch with unlimited wine (yes, seriously)
Afternoon tea
Access to betting facilities
£18 per person.
Seriously.
£18 per person. The brother and I went.
It was the best day I ever had at the racing and I can't remember if I ended up in front on the betting.
The next year it was £28. Still great value. We took our wives. Another great day. They got to ogle Cash Asmussen in the winner's enclosure and still talk about it.
The next year it was £38. Starting to look pricey but the four of us went again and had a good day out.
The next year it was £58 and we said fvck it.
Really I thought they were just a big operation for arbing ( is that the correct word ?) Laying big bets a slightly lower odds than the best available and then ring their boys around the country to get rid of it ? so why would they restrict anybody ? Unless I have the wrong end of the stick.
The best I remember is free racing diary and I haven't seen one of those for around 10 years.
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Tanlic
Senior Jockey
Bookies love a "Face" always have, always will.
They will lay them bets you just can't get on as a normal punter because they use their knowledge for their own gain and pay out with a smile.
Anyone who has ever played big and have had friends in the game know where I am coming from and how it works.
As for free pens..they are only free if you don't write a bet wit one
They will lay them bets you just can't get on as a normal punter because they use their knowledge for their own gain and pay out with a smile.
Anyone who has ever played big and have had friends in the game know where I am coming from and how it works.
As for free pens..they are only free if you don't write a bet wit one
granger
Senior Jockey
Just finished the Tony 10 book.
Interesting read but a bit biased towards the subject.
What was of note that the PR king of racing rung him personally and shared his mobile number and told him he could phone in bets to him personally one day that the site was temporarily down
Interesting read but a bit biased towards the subject.
What was of note that the PR king of racing rung him personally and shared his mobile number and told him he could phone in bets to him personally one day that the site was temporarily down
The Irish cabinet has approved a package of legislation today to regulate the gambling industry. It includes a ban on "any inducements to entice adults to gambling including free hospitality, VIP treatment, free bets and special offers". Wow.
Failure to protect minors and vulnerable people will become a criminal offence and directors of gambling companies will be personally liable. Quite right.
A Gambling Regulatory Authority is to be set up. About time.
The planned legislation will also ban gambling advertisements on social media, and on tv before 9pm. This includes satellite tv, even Sky Sports Racing.
Sponsorships by gambling companies of sporting clubs with members under 18 will also be banned. I think the same already applies to alcohol products.
People wanting to stop gambling can ask to be placed on a national exclusion register. Gambling companies will then have to ensure they are excluded from betting with them.
A levy on the industry will be used to create a fund for research, education and awareness, and addiction treatment.
There will also be "measures" to prevent gambling being used to launder money.
Failure to protect minors and vulnerable people will become a criminal offence and directors of gambling companies will be personally liable. Quite right.
A Gambling Regulatory Authority is to be set up. About time.
The planned legislation will also ban gambling advertisements on social media, and on tv before 9pm. This includes satellite tv, even Sky Sports Racing.
Sponsorships by gambling companies of sporting clubs with members under 18 will also be banned. I think the same already applies to alcohol products.
People wanting to stop gambling can ask to be placed on a national exclusion register. Gambling companies will then have to ensure they are excluded from betting with them.
A levy on the industry will be used to create a fund for research, education and awareness, and addiction treatment.
There will also be "measures" to prevent gambling being used to launder money.
granger
Senior Jockey
Boyle Sports were advertising for a new money laundering position related to crime yesterday 
I know someone who worked in this corporate reward club for gamblers with PP
He gave it up due do a bad taste in his mouth and now runs a team building/motivational business
I know someone who worked in this corporate reward club for gamblers with PP
He gave it up due do a bad taste in his mouth and now runs a team building/motivational business
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