Panorama 830 monday

jinnyj said:
GG, Your last point re shooting versus injection is interesting. My father was a vet at the Cheltenham Festival for many years and would always have chosen to use a humane killer bolt style gun over an injection any day purely because it was often so much harder to put a needle into the vein of a horse when it wasn’t standing still (and horses are often needle aware). I think it is our perception that shooting a horse is cruel as opposed to injecting chemicals into its body to kill it is the underlying factor here. The bolt gun is instantaneous and the horse has no idea what’s happening.
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Simon would sedate first, then..... obviously not the same circumstances as being injured on the racecourse, but that's how my mare went. I held her until the very last second she was upright, he then took over for less than a minute, and I stayed with her until she had gone. She was chewing treats right up to the end. Before, he told me not to stay with her 'cos he knew me, but I couldn't leave her. If he had used a bolt however.... I appreciate totally different circumstances to being on a racecourse.
 
reet hard said:
The whole thing smacked of a setup to promote Animal Aids agenda, imo. Why was their rep not questioned in more depth about his outlandish and sinister assertions, how did they contrive to place a camera in the 'killing room' and it remain undetected for 4 months, and why could the slaughter house not identify, and discipline, the guy who (apparently) shot a horse from across the room with some kind of rifle, and how did he manage to get it into the building?
All elementary questions which no one thought to raise, and resulted in a pile of bullcrap being foisted as a serious issue.
Shame on the BBC, and all it used to represent.
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Completely agree but then that’s how expose sensationalism journalism works. It’s all about the impact it has on its audience not on the actual facts. Exactly the same with the Oprah interview. Look how many lies were peddled there! Any good interviewer would have questioned their allegations and done some of their own research. But it was meant to shock. As was last nights episode. And it will have had the impact that they wanted. Backed up by the BBC showing it again on their news bulletin. OK today the BHA are finally mumbling about what they are doing and rightly trainers are flooding social media with their own personal stories of the many, many horses they have rehomed. But the damage is done.
 
I think the trainers putting up their stories are inadvertently making the situation worse. I don't think it needs to have any bigger impact that tightening up on abattoir standards (welcomed) partly because racing isn't as important a factor in people's lives as before.
 
I see that Souede and Munir are removing their horses from the Gordon Elliot yard.
 
Perhaps they were not correctly informed. They may have been told the horse was chronically lame and required putting down. And then he got moved on and then on to the abattoir. Martin Pipe used to send horses to our local one here many years ago, those that could not be rehomed (to be fair to him, you could go there and get a freebie from him) for whatever reason and they would get paid a small amount usually about £300 I think. But that was a long time ago.
 
Apparently they gifted the horse to one of Elliots staff and happy he was suitably rehomed and were “shocked and furious” that he had been sent to the abbatoir
 
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