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Did the stewards even ask any questions about the ride on Plutocracy at Ascot this afternoon?

I can't find any trace of an enquiry. It's absolutely staggering.

I backed the winner. If I'd backed Plutocracy I would be absolutely livid. Held up off a steady pace, he wasn't asked the slightest question until just over a furlong out. The Post's analysis talks in terms of "traffic problems as he tried to close" but they were minimal, for me. The horse finished full of running under Adam Kirby and should have won comfortably.

It makes you hanker after the disciplinary system in Ireland. They'd at least have banned him for thirty days before letting him off on appeal.

Shocking on the part of the stewards.
 
Speaking of plutocracy, I was at Hexham yesterday (highly recommended for a visit, by the way) and didn't see a single runner in green and gold hoops. Is this a record?
 
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Thought it was a "ride him for a place" ride Gus.

I'll have my eye out on Sandown's next entries.
 
I haven't seen the race yet( I hope to watch yesterdays recordings this evening)
I did however see his ride on Merhoob in the last-making good headway 1f 1/2 out until he encountered a wall of about 7 horses where to my eye there seemed ample gaps to aim for but he chose to angle very sharply right and then ran on strongly for 3rd.
I like him as a jockey but he does make some odd mid race decisions.
 
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I haven't seen the race yet( I hope to watch yesterdays recordings this evening)
I did however see his ride on Merhoob in the last-making good headway 1f 1/2 out until he encountered a wall of about 7 horses where to my eye there seemed ample gaps to aim for but he chose to angle very sharply right and then ran on strongly for 3rd.
I like him as a jockey but he does make some odd mid race decisions.
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If you get the opportunity, try to see the Racing UK replay which includes the head-on. I hadn't watched that when I posted last night but it completely undermines the "traffic problems" suggestion in the Post. There is a gap between Cayirli and Sign Of A Victory big enough to drive a bus through but for some reason he doesn't seem to want to take the gap and he keeps Plutocracy in behind Cayirli until all chance of winning has gone.

As I said, the fact that the stewards didn't even have a look at it (as far as we know) seems incredible to me but so does the collective shrug of the shoulders it seems to have attracted generally.
 
Sorry Gus but but you are miles of the mark and should look a bit further than the end of your nose before slagging Kirby.

Plutocracy is either the slowest learner (NOT) on the planet or he's a dog (most certainly) with a mind of his own but maybe with good reason.

Kirby not wanting to use the whip initially as he has resented being whipped in the past, was posting like mad on the home turn trying to get him to pick up.

He hesitated but only for a second when sign of a victory started to go right.

Race over he started to run but that I suggest was his own idea nothing Kirby did.

They gambled the horse first time up for them when I backed John Quinns who won it so I remembered the horse. He was given a hard race that day by Baker rested and given another run at Kempton.

Gamble on again at Newmarket when given a slap ran halfway across the course a sure fire sign the horse isn't in love with the game these days.

They had another go when ridden close up went from cruising to ziltch when hit.....fingers burned again the owner breeder got rid and no longer has anything in the yard.

Sour grapes? hard to say but seen it all before.

Plutocracy has the ability to win a race but they should find the worst race in the world for him and get his confidence back then maybe he'll start liking the game agin.

He could pick up at the right time in a better race and win but after having their fingers burned 3 times they'd need to be very stupid risking betting him.

I wish you luck and hope he wins if you back him but it wouldn't be me.
 
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I've just watched the replay.

I think it's hard to conclude anything other than that he got what turned out to be a poor tactical ride. The finish was dominated by prominent runners so the pace couldn't have been too fast. The other one held up in rear was Sign Of A Victory, the well-backed favourite, and it's possible they felt he only had to beat him to win and rode him accordingly. Neither really got competitive the way it panned out. It's the kind of thing that happens every day.

I'm not sure there was much in the way Plutocracy ran to suggest he's ungenuine. Whether it was he or the jockey who hesitated for a couple of strides when it looked like the gap might close in front of them just as they were making their move is hard to say. I certainly wouldn't call it traffic problems.

Whether it was a poor tactical ride by accident or design is what people have to decide for themselves.
 
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Sorry Gus but but you are miles of the mark and should look a bit further than the end of your nose before slagging Kirby.

Plutocracy is either the slowest learner (NOT) on the planet or he's a dog (most certainly) with a mind of his own but maybe with good reason.

Kirby not wanting to use the whip initially as he has resented being whipped in the past, was posting like mad on the home turn trying to get him to pick up.

He hesitated but only for a second when sign of a victory started to go right.

Race over he started to run but that I suggest was his own idea nothing Kirby did.

They gambled the horse first time up for them when I backed John Quinns who won it so I remembered the horse. He was given a hard race that day by Baker rested and given another run at Kempton.

Gamble on again at Newmarket when given a slap ran halfway across the course a sure fire sign the horse isn't in love with the game these days.

They had another go when ridden close up went from cruising to ziltch when hit.....fingers burned again the owner breeder got rid and no longer has anything in the yard.

Sour grapes? hard to say but seen it all before.

Plutocracy has the ability to win a race but they should find the worst race in the world for him and get his confidence back then maybe he'll start liking the game agin.

He could pick up at the right time in a better race and win but after having their fingers burned 3 times they'd need to be very stupid risking betting him.

I wish you luck and hope he wins if you back him but it wouldn't be me.
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We all see things differently, of course.

You ignore my main point which is that there was no enquiry. If there were reasons for the horse being ridden the way he was then they could have been given, accepted/noted, published. We could have found out what the trainer's instructions were and why, whether he was happy with the ride. Instead, we are none the wiser and left with speculation, yours educated and mine not looking further than the end of my nose but it's still guesswork. Why not hold an enquiry?

As for "posting like mad on the home turn" I'm genuinely not sure what that means. All I saw was a jockey bumping up and down in the saddle a few times and making no real effort to improve his position.

"Race over he started to run but that I suggest was his own idea nothing Kirby did..." - funnily enough, I see a horse who coincidentally begins to run at exactly the moment his jockey, for the first time, actually asks him to do so.

So, as I say, we all see things differently.
 
What you are saying Gus no matter how you want to dress it up is he stopped the horse which is nonsense.

You are under the illusion a jockey can only ride one way and all horses are the same.

Having watched every race the horse has run (I was bored) he does not act favourably to the whip.

Posting is exactly what you said use your ass to get him to pick up.

If he wasn't off he wouldn't even do that nor would he be looking for gaps.

Plus you man is clever enough to stop one at home not do it on the racecourse.

He's fully exposed and you don't stop his type at the racecourse because if you did when he is off you won't get anything like the odds if you left him short and tried your best on him, YOU knowing he's not fit enough to win.

To be fair to the jockey he was a bit out of his ground but that usually isn't a problem for the horse...His problem is when he gets up there he doesn't go through with it and hasn't for ages much to someone's cost.
BTW his previous owner bred him but he's been gelded so if he can't make babies and he's got all the marks of being somewhat ungenuine I would suggest that is why there has been a change of colours.
 
I'm not saying he stopped the horse. I'm saying the ride was such that there should have been an enquiry.
 
Haven't seen the race but this may have had a bearing on the way the HORSE ran.

No Stewards Enquiry.


PLUTOCRACY (IRE), trained by Gary Moore, lost an off-fore shoe before the race and had to be re-shod causing a slight delay.
 
Didn't think there was anything wrong with the ride, it looks like a horse that needs settling and a strong pace. He managed to settle it but didn't have the pace, look when they come into the straight Kirby is bumping up and down with the horse only making laboured progress. Think he'd almost given up and didn't want to force a gap or cause possible interference for no return. The horse then took off.


One of the worst rides I've seen recently was Atzeni on Dougan.
 
That was bad judgement on Atzeni's part I wonder why they thought he had to be that far off the pace. Kirby off all people gave him a peach off a ride just off the pace at Kempton and he flew home.
Could be Atzeni expected more than he got as he has got a very good turn off foot.

Worth following but won't be much off a price after that ride.
 
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