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Point Blank: Robert Heneghan v Gearóid Norris is going to the High Court

What's your thoughts with seeing this through Slim ? Is Heneghan the hill you want to die on ? Whilst I think the cause is just, as the blokes a charlatan and it would be nice to see him get his comeuppance. There are a lot of just causes and a lot of dishonest people around. You deal with risk and cost efficency all the time. Is this really going to be worth the time and money the stress and the hassle to fight him ? What's the best result you could hope for ? I've been the sort to self sacrifice in my life and have fought on points of morality at a huge cost to myself just because I wouldn't have slept at night if I hadn't. Some fights were worth it, some weren't. These days I've learned to pick my battles more effectively, I realise you can't save someone who's determined to drown, and you can't put every wrong un right, and seldom do people get what they deserve.

All im saying is you have a persona online which makes it tough to back down and I've no doubt you're a proper sort Gearoid and a good fella. I'm just saying think about what counts you're back at school learning, you've got your daughter and may have or could quite easily carve out a very nice life for yourself. I'm only speaking from experience, pride comes before a fall. Just be careful mate and all the best whatever you decide.
 
I was actually already aware of this as I'd seen it on X.

We have our similarities, Slim, but our differences surely outweigh them, often, no doubt, to my detriment, but sometimes maybe, just maybe, to yours.

While I can admire your passionate crusades for truth and justice, I have no desire to emulate them.

Danny says "is this a Hill you want to die on?

I'd agree, adding: "and to what end?"

The life choices of others in terms of who they give money to surely isn't an additional problem you, I, or anyone needs in their life, which can be hard enough as it is.

Those who profess to be your friends but, in reality, simply see you as a source of free entertainment, will cheer you on.

Whereas those who actually really do like you - even though we've never met and probably never will - like me (and maybe Danny) will be saying: "Gearoid, in all seriousness, what's the actual point in all this? You could do your entire betting (and life) bank. Always care most about you, because you can have the biggest bet of your life no other f$%*er does, not really."

I shall follow it all with interest, but I hope it's not morbid interest or that I don't end up with my head in my hands.

If any of this seems in any way condescending or patronising, I genuinely apologise - it's not intended to.
 
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Danny said:
What's your thoughts with seeing this through Slim ? Is Heneghan the hill you want to die on ? Whilst I think the cause is just, as the blokes a charlatan and it would be nice to see him get his comeuppance. There are a lot of just causes and a lot of dishonest people around. You deal with risk and cost efficency all the time. Is this really going to be worth the time and money the stress and the hassle to fight him ? What's the best result you could hope for ? I've been the sort to self sacrifice in my life and have fought on points of morality at a huge cost to myself just because I wouldn't have slept at night if I hadn't. Some fights were worth it, some weren't. These days I've learned to pick my battles more effectively, I realise you can't save someone who's determined to drown, and you can't put every wrong un right, and seldom do people get what they deserve.

All im saying is you have a persona online which makes it tough to back down and I've no doubt you're a proper sort Gearoid and a good fella. I'm just saying think about what counts you're back at school learning, you've got your daughter and may have or could quite easily carve out a very nice life for yourself. I'm only speaking from experience, pride comes before a fall. Just be careful mate and all the best whatever you decide.
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I received a phone call on February 3rd from an unidentified gentleman. The call lasted 53 seconds. In that time, he listed the address of my daughter’s house and two establishments I frequent. Oh, and what was the other thing? Oh yes, he said, “I’d strongly advise you never to contact me again,” before threatening violence.
“If you keep putting things online about me, I’ll put a bullet in your head.”
In an unrelated matter, if someone wants to risk it all in the High Court, why should I stop them?
 
Ian_Davies said:
I was actually already aware of this as I'd seen it on X.

We have our similarities, Slim, but our differences surely outweigh them, often, no doubt, to my detriment, but sometimes maybe, just maybe, to yours.

While I can admire your passionate crusades for truth and justice, I have no desire to emulate them.

Danny says "is this a Hill you want to die on?

I'd agree, adding: "and to what end?"

The life choices of others in terms of who they give money to surely isn't an additional problem you, I, or anyone needs in their life, which can be hard enough as it is.

Those who profess to be your friends but, in reality, simply see you as a source of free entertainment, will cheer you on.

Wherea those who actually really do like you - even though we've never met and probably never will - like me (and maybe Danny) will be saying: "Mate, in all seriousness, what's the actual point in all this? You can do your entire betting (and life) bank. Always care most about you, because you can have the biggest bet of your life no other f$%*er does, not really."

I shall follow it all with interest, but I hope it's not morbid interest or that I don't nd u.k. ruth my head in my hands.

If any of this seems in don't way condescending or patronising, I genuinely apologise - it's not intended to.
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The only stress I had was someone calling to my daughter’s door last Wednesday evening looking for me. That is when the online world crosses a line that cannot be uncrossed. The Streisand Effect is in full play here.
 
Danny said:
What's your thoughts with seeing this through Slim ? Is Heneghan the hill you want to die on ? Whilst I think the cause is just, as the blokes a charlatan and it would be nice to see him get his comeuppance. There are a lot of just causes and a lot of dishonest people around. You deal with risk and cost efficency all the time. Is this really going to be worth the time and money the stress and the hassle to fight him ? What's the best result you could hope for ? I've been the sort to self sacrifice in my life and have fought on points of morality at a huge cost to myself just because I wouldn't have slept at night if I hadn't. Some fights were worth it, some weren't. These days I've learned to pick my battles more effectively, I realise you can't save someone who's determined to drown, and you can't put every wrong un right, and seldom do people get what they deserve.

All im saying is you have a persona online which makes it tough to back down and I've no doubt you're a proper sort Gearoid and a good fella. I'm just saying think about what counts you're back at school learning, you've got your daughter and may have or could quite easily carve out a very nice life for yourself. I'm only speaking from experience, pride comes before a fall. Just be careful mate and all the best whatever you decide.
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I just think there's a lot of good stuff here from Danny.

As I'm sure we all know, once we have family, our proactive actions and feuds have the potential to bring trouble to our family's door, as well as our own.

In circumstances like this, it is very easy to focus on what is a reaction (utterly unacceptable though it may be) rather than reflecting it was our initial action that provoked said reaction.

Unsolicited advice is the worst advice of all, but Danny evidently likes you enough to have been motivated to sit down and write what he did and "same as that" with me.

Sounds like the bloke's reaction crossed a criminal line to me and he wants reporting, arresting and charging before any of this gets anywhere near a civil court.

Anyway, fingers crossed for a positive outcome for you.
 
I'd of said it's unusual enough for someone to try the old sort of gangster method of persuasion and then want to take you to court. It's usually either or.

All I'll say Slim is good luck with it and if you do bring him down I hope you get the full credit you deserve for the investigative journalism type thing you're doing. As Ian said we've only advised caution as we want the best for you mate. All the best.

Hadn't read Ian 2nd post as I was posting mine but think that is also sound advice.
 
I’m merely going to defend myself against someone who thinks money entitles him to steamroll over everyone in front of him by whatever means suit him. The risk is all on his side.
 
Danny said:
I'd of said it's unusual enough for someone to try the old sort of gangster method of persuasion and then want to take you to court. It's usually either or.

All I'll say Slim is good luck with it and if you do bring him down I hope you get the full credit you deserve for the investigative journalism type thing you're doing. As Ian said we've only advised caution as we want the best for you mate. All the best.

Hadn't read Ian 2nd post as I was posting mine but think that is also sound advice.
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Exactly.

'If I can't put a bullet in the bloke, I'll take him to the High Court instead'.

What a farce.

Slim Will Win.
 
I'm 72. I read a saying last week that I wish I'd read when I was 22: "I've never known a bee convince a fly that honey tastes better than shit." But in this case I'm gonna try.

The only other case I followed which involved a SLAPP was on a writers forum some years ago when one of the known good guys regularly tried to warn newcomers about another 'writer' who was a con artist, ripping people of via her Facebook page. The good guy had lots of anecdotal evidence.

The bad guy said shut up or I'll sue. The good guy said go ahead. The bad guy sued and served a SLAPP. (This was in California). The good guy, most upset, felt she was on a crusade for justice, not just for herself but for the writing community.

She was $20,000 into her own savings when she started a crowdfunder. Many of us contributed raising the $25,000 target. Three months later: more crowdfunding needed. Then more.

After 3 years back and forth, good guy agrees to settle having spent more than $150,000 defending her ethical stance, later posting that going to court was the worst decision of her life. It had ruined her financially, devastated her family and changed her personality. And, she got zero out of it. The bad guy carried on with her con business.

Slim, I wish you good luck whatever you choose. It's a grim and horrible situation. And even if yer man loses, gets exposed etc, it'll be news for 24 hours then the world forgets and he sets up under another name.

So it goes.

Joe
 
I wish you all the best, Slim. As someone of a similar ilk who does not lie down quietly when they feel they are challenged/threatened, I can totally see why you are doing this. And I genuinely hope you emerge unscathed.

I'm currently going through a much lesser experience when I have challenged someone at the behest of others who are deeply concerned at a particular person's behaviour. So as per usual I gather the facts, compile a dossier, talk and get a lot of support from colleagues to take to the meeting. And I am given the floor to speak. Do my colleagues support me in this public occasion? Do they hell! So there I am isolated in my views and with the chairman doing their best to shut me down at my every utterance.

I am absolutely mentally and emotionally shattered by it all if I am completely honest. It has also backfired as I suspected it would in regard to remuneration that I am owed for a project I took on.

But I won't give up. I am not like that. I have always been one to stand up for what is right. And I am voicing the concerns of the people I am there to represent. Eventually the scales will slip from their eyes as it did mine. Only yesterday I had a lady on the phone exasperated and very angry over the treatment she has received from said person and their office.
 
Steeplechasing said:
I'm 72. I read a saying last week that I wish I'd read when I was 22: "I've never known a bee convince a fly that honey tastes better than shit." But in this case I'm gonna try.

The only other case I followed which involved a SLAPP was on a writers forum some years ago when one of the known good guys regularly tried to warn newcomers about another 'writer' who was a con artist, ripping people of via her Facebook page. The good guy had lots of anecdotal evidence.

The bad guy said shut up or I'll sue. The good guy said go ahead. The bad guy sued and served a SLAPP. (This was in California). The good guy, most upset, felt she was on a crusade for justice, not just for herself but for the writing community.

She was $20,000 into her own savings when she started a crowdfunder. Many of us contributed raising the $25,000 target. Three months later: more crowdfunding needed. Then more.

After 3 years back and forth, good guy agrees to settle having spent more than $150,000 defending her ethical stance, later posting that going to court was the worst decision of her life. It had ruined her financially, devastated her family and changed her personality. And, she got zero out of it. The bad guy carried on with her con business.

Slim, I wish you good luck whatever you choose. It's a grim and horrible situation. And even if yer man loses, gets exposed etc, it'll be news for 24 hours then the world forgets and he sets up under another name.

So it goes.

Joe
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If this was in the USA I'd be in Venezuela by now.
 
Good luck, Slim - whichever course of action you choose to take. Everyone here has your best interests at heart, and you have received some great advice.
 

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