Power price hikes

Desert Orchid

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It's well past time for public demonstrations against these companies.

I can't believe no-one has used social media to organise masses of ripped-off billpayers to descend upon the HQ of these big firm and vent their anger in their millions.

Which? also exposed the tricks they used to disguise the massive profits they were making, which didn't even get a mention on the news as far as I'm aware.
 
i would check your facts. No one likes the rises but we have some of the cheapest energy in europe

http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/statistics_explained/index.php/Energy_price_statistics

Bgas makes a net margin of 6%. Hardly excessive for a plc. If anyone cries nationalistion you can be sure that that without competition and with the gross overheads such industries always have, losing that margin would easily be outwieghed by costs

what should happen is that switching should be instant, online and easy and that there should be more players in the market. Ofwhatever it is should be conentrating on ensuring that. That would keep prices much tighter.
 
Could I ask, do consumers in the UK have to pay a monthly "Standing Charge" for gas and electricity on top of the k'watt unit price ?
And if so, how much is it?
 
clivex can pay for all of us then. I'm ******* sick of it - British Gas claim that they are putting prices up this time due to "costs which are out of their control" and also claim that they won't be making any greater profits as a result of the increases.

If both of those things are true then, based on British Gas own figures - their costs have risen by 1.8% - so why are our bills going up by 10%.

******* thieves - what we need is more than just a public demonstration - we need a ******* revolution about this.
 
£600m they made last year - God forbid that should fall to £590m (that's just British Gas - their parent company made £2.5bn)
 
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they are no charging for last years gas are they...jesus

margin is fair...

whats the alternative then?
 
the alternative is that they stop lying.

For example - in Feb this year, they claimed the average household bill was £1188.

Now they are claiming it is £1321 and will go up to £1444.

Their prices have risen by 6% and then 10% to achieve that. Those rises only come to £1385.

So there is £60 missing from their so-called figures that they have yet to account for. For every one of their 15 million customers.

You know as well as I do that a blanace sheet can be made to look much worse than it actually is. Where is the missing £900m?
 
The other alternative is that don't increase their prices. According to their own figures that would give them a profit of £590m. Which seems more than fair.
 
The Which? article last month exploded a few myths, namely:

Energy companies don't make much money. (Between them, the Big 6 made £3.7b. The retail element may appear low but they sell the energy to themselves for upwards of 20% profit, according to Which?)

There is genuine competition in the energy market. (The Big 6 have 98% of the market)

Windfarms are having a big impact on our bills. (It's less than 5%)

Much of our electricity comes from nuclear and windfarms. (Nuclear 19%, renewables 11.3%)

We rely on Russia for our gas. (It's less than 1%)

The lights will go out in Britain. (A future spare capacity plan is already in place)


I got a fix to 2015 earlier this year so am not immediately affected by these hikes but while I might find my hackles rising when a pub in Stephen's Green asks for E6.50 for a Guinness (and that was about 6 years ago and I haven't been back) I find this blatant money-grabbing system this cartel has in place immoral and inhuman.

They are on the same level as the bankers that put us into recession.
 
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Wrong again and frankly waffle. The net margin is in their accoounts and they are forced to keep to it by ofwat

I am not inclined to defend them but the facts are clear. As above

Comparing with banks is rubbish. They are not bust

As with all too many on left, loads of moaning but no solutions
 
So write to Which? and tell them their investigators got it all wrong.

Just to help you, here are the relevant paragraphs [source Which? October 2013 - Myth: Energy companies don't make much money] in their entirety (before the recent rises). The font editing is mine.

Energy companies often blame rising wholesale prices and increasing cost of government environmental policies when they announce price rises, and they also claim they don't make much profit from supplying consumers with energy.

Since 2008, there have been 91 price changes of which 77% were increases. Were these driven by a thirst for profit? Or a reluctant step in the face of rising costs for the companies concerned? The answer lays partly in the relationship between the company that sends your bills and the one it buys 'wholesale' energy from in the first place. In the case of the big six companies [named] the retail and wholesale operations are linked by a single parent company. These 'vertically integrated' companies can sell electricity to themselves. However, this is carried out behind closed doors and the price the supply arm of the company pays to the generation arm isn't made public.

The companies often claim they buy and sell their energy on the wholesale markets, but their own accounts show they sell internally. And most of the trading they do externally just isn't transparent - there are no details of how much electricity is sold or what prices were paid. It's nearly impossible to find out how much your company paid for the energy it sells, and therefore impossible to work out if you're paying a fair price as an end user.

According to our analysis of the companies' financial information, the major suppliers' retail arms make average profits of about 2% to 4%. But the generation arms of these companies made average profits of about 20% in 2012. Between them, the big six made about £3.7bn profits last year from their electricity generation, gas supply and electricity supply.

The comparison with banks is a moral and social one. The banks put us in recession which has affected nearly all of us immensely in financial terms. The energy companies are ensuring we remain in fuel poverty while they rake in billions.

And the government is clearly happy to let them do it because most of the millionaires' club running the country will have shares in them.
 
Well if that's the case then we do not have a proper competitive free market amongst the wholesales do we? So that needs to be addressed
 
Wrong again and frankly waffle.

Unfortunately not wrong. Try having a look at the figures instead of making an assumption that because it is part of a free market model it is inherently safe and correct.

Each company had to publish a breakdown for Ofgem of how their profits broke down this year - with the generation removed. Each showed tiny profits. Yet they managed to cumulatively make 3.7bn in the UK alone. (nPower for example displayed figures showing a profit of under £100m - while RWE who sold them the electricity made a profit of £5.5bn.

I do however, agree that the cartel and effective price-fixing that is going needs to be addressed.

Some figures for your consumption from a previous post of mine on the subject.

Coal, oil and gas have not risen in price by 600% in the last 20 years. Why has electricity risen by that much?

Crude oil - up 266% since 1990.

Coal prices have risen by 500% in the same period - but it is being used less and less by electricity manufacturers as evidenced by the recent spate of redundancies in UK coal mining due to lack of demand. You can add to that the fact that UK imports of coal have halved in the past 6 years.

Natural Gas has risen by 200% in Europe in that timescale.

Prior to deregulation the CEBG turned a profit of £192m. The combined electricity companies profits last year was £3.5bn. A rise of 1723%.

And looking at the figures above - it's not hard to see where the profits are coming from.

Shower of f*cking thieves. And we all just turn round, drop the strides and say "yes please, I'd like f*cked in the ass". Switching supplier to save £60 a year or whatever is the equivalent of trying to sneak a bit of lube between your cheeks without them noticing.
 
There is not especially a culture of protest in England.

DO, what with all the huge profits you make from betting, what is a small rise in your gas & electricity bill?! :D
 
What you have simmo is an imperfect market.

As follows

Consumers drive market when they have adequate information. They don't

They drive it when they can easily make choices. They can't

They benefit from competition. 6 providers dangerously low

The supply chain also has to be competitive. Seemingly it isn't

Protests are just a load of smelly people out for the day. Fix the above and you may get somewhere
 
So clivex - having decided what needs to happen - how do we, the people of the UK with energy companies metaphorical strapons rammed right up our jacksies, get them to remove them?
 
there's one across the road from me that isn't being used at the moment - still 25m tons of coal in it, we could buy that.

Actually no thats a bad idea - the coal mines in Scotland are going to cost the taxpayer £132m to restore as the courts have decided Scottish Coal's administrators don't need to worry about doing it any more.

I'm short of a few quid to cover that.
 
I work full time as does my hubby and son, but the cost of running the flat has gone through the roof. We have a basement 2 bed flat and there are three of us (son moving out soon though!) and even though I pay £40 a month towards gas and £55 for Electricity I am always at last £10 in debit each quarter. I am having to go up to £50 a month for gas to make sure I can keep in touch during winter even though I am currently tied in to a May 2014 price fix which means I pay 4% less against BG cheapest tariff for both Gas / Electricity.

With my bonus in March I will be putting another couple of hundred into the accounts to attempt to keep out of debit.

Then as soon as possible I will be switching - some of the smaller companies offer better rates and a £50 a year saving has to be worth it?!

It may come to sitting here with the duvet and blankets on at night rather than putting the heating on - if its that bad for me I cant imagine how hard it is for pensioners.

Its a disgusting state of affairs where we have to pay to keep their shareholders happy by making over half a billion a year in profit.....
 
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