Re The New Place Thread (oh Racing)

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Originally posted by Shadow Leader@Oct 9 2004, 10:45 PM
I do not want to pay for the privilege of looking/posting on a forum, & if I did I certainly would not do it in the name of 'charidee'.  I would rather someone is up front & said "look guys, I need a subscription/donations" or whatever than pull the old "charidee" line.  I work hard for my wages & I am damn picky which charities I give to, as in my eyes some are worth it & some are not.  I haven't looked at the comps on Escorial's site as I really don't have the time to enter them; I never really know when I will be free to post.
SL, I think you are confused. Escorials site is 100% FREE and there is no hidden agenda to make you pay unless you actually want to play The Fantasy Racing Competition. It is this competition where £2.00 of the £10.00 goes to charity. It is a bit misleading to imply otherwise, especially with your possibly sarcastic "charidee" line!
 
I think, after reading this, that it might be best if I explain to a few, why I'm doing what I'm doing.

Firstly, my passion is horse racing. Has been for a million years now.

Secondly, my site has never, ever been subscription. The use of the Forum, the chat room, my ratings (some like 'em!), have always been free to access.
I have no idea where the notion arose that anyone pays for anything but I'd like to squash that right now, if I may.

"Charidees"....well, I suppose I can undestand why some might be sceptical....I probably would be myself not knowing the person, or purpose, behind it all.

Having had an idea, several years ago now, I decided to actually run with it and developed the site we have now.
It's, hopefully, much more than just a Forum and is going to be an information website for anyone that trusts the opinion of those writing on it.
I'm looking to eventually employ young people, that have the same passion for the sport as I do and that would seriously like to enter the journalistic side of it.

I'm looking to provide a realistic opportunity for people to go racing as an owner...something we've done this year.

I've been running competitions for nearly two years now, that have been free to play, putting up a small prize, just to make it interesting. We have also run competitions for Cheltenham and Aintree that have cost £10 to play but that was done purely to cover the cost of the prizes we put up...NEVER to make a profit.

I came up with the idea for the Fantasy Racing game about 3 years ago now and decided that, if I had it built, there had to be a benefit to racing related "charidees" and I've had that incorporated into the game.
I must point out, anybody that plays is under no obligation to make a donation from their entry fee. That option is "offered" during the signing up process. If they wish to decline, they are free to do so.

Shadow Leader, regarding your words that I'm "pulling the old charidee line". It might be a thought you have, and to which you are entilted, but to announce it like it is fact, I find offensive.

You do not know me, or anything about me.

I do not need people to make donations and nor would I ever ask them to do so.

The recent raffle we ran, in aid of the Bob Champion Cancer Trust, was done solely for the Trust and for no other reason. Yes, I want to raise the profile of what I'm doing but that is so we can improve on the superb result we achieved at our first attempt. We made no profit from it, save for a superb day out at Ascot, after the draw had been made.
To ensure everything went to the Trust, I sat here and designed and printed the tickets myself. I purchased a machine for numbering them, cut and stapled them and then sold them....or tried to!
The people that worked very hard to make that whole thing a success (none moreso than Kathy....and she'll not thank me for telling you that), did so because they wanted to do it.

The Fantasy Racing game has taken over a year to complete and the figure Kathy quoted earlier is about 2/3rds of the total spent doing it. If it falls flat on it's arse, then so be it.
Yes, it is a commercial website but it is also a genuine attempt to provide racing related "charidees" with a revenue stream they can take advantage of and the idea is that they eventually put up their own sponsored prizes, to the winners of their own leagues, and we essentially "manage" the game on their behalf.

I will eventually be introducing Corporate Leagues, Friends and Family Leagues and several others, into the game.

If you doubt my intentions or integrity, that's fine.

To date, three "charidees" have decided the game is something they wish to go with and I'll trust that the management teams at Greatwood Caring for Retired Racehorses, The Bob Champion Cancer Trust and Brownbread Horse Rescue, have taken a good long look, before committing themselves.

I hope that clears things up a bit...but if you've got any questions you can PM me or send me an e-mail.
 
Thanks for the clarification Escorial. Even I didn't know that the donation to the charity on The Fantasy Racing game is entirely optional. :blink:

It's not the first time that Shadow Leader has gone off in one of her rants giving the impression she knows far about some subjects than many on this site, which (as in this case) is not always true.
 
I use this forum and TRF and I also pop into Escorial's forum occassionally. I must admit I did used to pop into Escorial's forum more often, but somehow I got out of te way of it. There's just not enough time in the day! As for that new place....hmmm....I'm not convinced. I don't know why, but I feel happier over here or at TRF.
 
Originally posted by Kathy@Oct 10 2004, 03:31 PM
Thanks for the clarification Escorial. Even I didn't know that the donation to the charity on The Fantasy Racing game is entirely optional. :blink:

It's not the first time that Shadow Leader has gone off in one of her rants giving the impression she knows far about some subjects than many on this site, which (as in this case) is not always true.
Who the hell do you think you are Kathy? You're a fine one to talk about going off on rants all the time, generally in the name of being an "animal lover". Christ knows where your holier-than-thou, fluffy bunny, "I do everything for charidee", "aren't I wonderful" attitude comes from!

If you read my post properly, the only time I attached Escorial's name to anything was when I mentioned the comps, which I DO NOT HAVE TIME TO PARTICIPATE IN. I have not looked at Escorial's site, I'm sure it is a good one, but to be quite honest I am exceptionally reluctant to get involved in anything which you appear to be so heavily a part of. The charidee part of it comes from you endlessly wittering on about it & incuding Escolrial's name in everything when you do talk about it. And as for the derogatory comment you put on FF about "TH not having any interest in the raffle, but it doesn't surprise you in the slightest" or whatever it was, that was bang out of order. You are constantly banging on about people giving to charidee....if I don't want to, I certainly bloody won't!!! Stop trying to pull constant guilt trips on everyone.

Escorial - many apologies if I have upset you, it was not my intention at all. The main reason I have not logged onto your sight is as mentioned above.

To everyone else, apologies - I could not ignore that one.
 
Good attempt at an ultra quick back pedal Shadow Leader. You have just shown your true colours yet again now that someone (other than me) has taken you to task over another of your ridiculous rants. Why didn't you say before you didn't want anything to do with Escorial's site because I am involved and that you particularly dislike people doing work for charity. Why only now do you reveal your real reasons?

You really are quite pathetic at times.
 
Where's the back pedal for God's sake???? Besides, I'm sure Escorial is fed up to the back teeth of you dragging him into every little argument you have with people. Where did I say I dislike people who work for charity? I said I despise people like you who ram it down everyone's throats that they should always be giving to charity....I'll spend my money how I damn well like & goodie two shoes like you will never dictate how & where I distribute it. Stop all the guilt trips, Kathy, we can't all be sickly sweet angels like you constantly purport to be.
 
I would stop digging it I were you SL. Have a quick PM with PDJ and see what he suggests you should say next! B)

Like I said before, you really can be pathetic at times, and please note I thought of that response all on my own! B)
 
For fuxake....hark at the paranoid one!!! I believe it is also derogatory to drag PDJ into this, he has nothing to do with my views whatsoever, and to say so is out of order. I am sorry that no one is jumping i to back you up, but leave PDJ out of it, my relationship with him has nothing to do with my views of you. I, for one, have work to do tomorrow so I am finished with this for now.
 
Bless.... :D It's OK SL, your secrets safe with me. Just try and stop following each other around the site, and using the same phrases, it's a dead giveaway & to be honest a little bit twee in my opinion!

Word of advice. If you want to be both slag me off within minutes of each other, try and think of something original and then no one will probably notice.

Toodle Pip!
 
I don't think anyone needs to jump in to help Kathy at the moment she seems to be winning this one.
 
Kathy - I look at sites that take my fancy. I do not want to pay for the privilege of looking/posting on a forum, & if I did I certainly would not do it in the name of 'charidee'. I would rather someone is up front & said "look guys, I need a subscription/donations" or whatever than pull the old "charidee" line. I work hard for my wages & I am damn picky which charities I give to, as in my eyes some are worth it & some are not. I haven't looked at the comps on Escorial's site as I really don't have the time to enter them; I never really know when I will be free to post.



Right - I know I'm thick and all, but can someone explain to me

1) HOW the above quote from SL has managed to get turned into yet another "kathy picks a fight cos she thinks (xyz) is slagging off one of her friends" threads???

I cant see any reason to assume that the paragraph is anything other than a general comment on forums - until you get to the bit about her not having time to do the competitions on escorials site??? ( mind you, I do have to doubt the bit about SL working hard for her wages ;) :P !)


and

2) WHEN did PDJ slag you off Kathy?? theres nothing on here from him except to me for ages???????

PLEASE WILL SOMEONE LOCK THIS THREAD SO IT DOESNT GO THE SAME WAY AS THE OTHERS?????!!!!! :rolleyes:
 
And before you all start on me - my last post was not meant to be an "anti anybody" post - it just seems to be that nobody can have an opposing view on anything on here any more, without being attacked from all sorts of angles about it!! whats going on??? :unsure:
 
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