Road to the 2013 Cheltenham Gold Cup
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how many horses have regained the GC?..just one isn't it?..LR is no KS.
you might as well have just donated the money to charity
you would be better of backing Gigilo's everyday instead..make a bit of money
oh and by the way..bloody binocular..i fell for it ..i had already pm'd Warbler that i would probably back ROR a couple of days before the CH..and changed my mind on the day
Sir DES champs hardly got out of second gear the last day Russell was just making sure he got the horse around. The horse needs further to be seen at it's best and I'd take him over long run all day. I dont think wel see another gold cup out of long run, think he's had his day. Last year may have left a mark I feel.
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Long Run has never been a genuine 183 on any scale known to man..they overrated it by a lot
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The first time i will be looking at the 2013 GC will be on the Wednesday of that week..i'm more interested in making a few bob tomorrow tbh
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how many horses have regained the GC?..just one isn't it?..LR is no KS.
you might as well have just donated the money to charity
you would be better of backing Gigilo's everyday instead..make a bit of money
oh and by the way..bloody binocular..i fell for it ..i had already pm'd Warbler that i would probably back ROR a couple of days before the CH..and changed my mind on the day
:lol: ...life's like that sometimes.
The Gold Cup thing could be simply a statistical anomaly. Horses like The Fellow won it when nine after failing by a whisker at six and seven. And Long Run has lots of parallels with The Fellow. Kauto’s the only one to actually do it, but if he can win twice round Cheltenham almost anything can!
...if they get home.:lol:
uncle goober
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There are two things that seem to be rarely considered by some trainers, and especially when it concerns a horse that is high class and has already won high class races. Excuses are sought for defeats, or even laboured victories, but rarely is the answer found where they look for the fear that they insult either the horse, who doesn't care, or its owner.
One is blinkers and the other is a visor.
Long Run should be tried in one or the other and the result will see a return to the strong travelling horse of last season and the one before, and could improve his jumping into the bargain. They turned See More Business from a high class stayer into a tremendously high class stayer that jumped better and travelled tremendously well.
Connections will remember Rustle. SteveM has already mentioned The Fellow.
It's so obvious it hurts my head.
One is blinkers and the other is a visor.
Long Run should be tried in one or the other and the result will see a return to the strong travelling horse of last season and the one before, and could improve his jumping into the bargain. They turned See More Business from a high class stayer into a tremendously high class stayer that jumped better and travelled tremendously well.
Connections will remember Rustle. SteveM has already mentioned The Fellow.
It's so obvious it hurts my head.
Invictus at 25/1 makes sense to me. Obviously has a decision over Bobs worth (8/1) and missing the RSA is no bad thing perhaps.
Of course it is. the theory was that it bottomed some horses and thats fair enough to some extent but its another so so stat. But i still dont fancy LR next year
Of course it is. the theory was that it bottomed some horses and thats fair enough to some extent but its another so so stat. But i still dont fancy LR next year
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every year on here i quote stats..yes sometimes tongue in cheek..but no one ever mentions when they are proved correct..like the Fighting fifth one i wheel out
...which is still intact along with at least 3 i used on the CH thread this yearsome races are poor pointers to winning other races...re the GC...some races take so much winning that the following year the winner isn't the same horse..and after another year the horse is 2 years older just for a start..hence it takes a special horse to win..lose then come back and win again..i'll bet we never see another horse regain his crown..unless its something really special like KS..how many horses like him have you seen?
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granger
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the only purpose LR has at 10/1 is if he goes off at 17/2 or less
For all we know SS could be a GC horse next year, Bobs Worth might be even be the stable choice
For all we know SS could be a GC horse next year, Bobs Worth might be even be the stable choice
I think thats a theory behind the GC stat ec which stands up. But its when there is no theory or reason that its a waste of time. The fighting fifth one gets trotted out but whats the reasoning? Without that, its just one of those things isnt it?
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the reasoning for me with the FF is that it is early in the season and isn't an ideal indicator for the CH ..its a pretty competetive race even when big guns don't play.. its also a target race for trainers with horses who aren't quite good enough for the big prize...so even though some winners aren't the best hurdlers..they are trained to win that race..not a great environment for giving your no 1 CH horses an easy warm up.
thats my theory anyway
i agree it needs reasoning..but..if someone said to me..race X has not produced winner of race Y for 50 years..even without a reason i could find..i'd be asking mesen why it is.
there isn't always any obvious reason..but some races just aren't key races to others
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The Feltham stat is another puzzler... Please explain?
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there are that many stats i can't remember..what is the stat?
the Feltham stat is that the place is full of the arse end of west london with the weatherspoons pub full by 11 in the morning every day with smelly old dossers shaking over their first pint and Poundstretcher being the local equivalent of Harvey nicks
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Euronymous
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Sorry Steve but RPR's are just arse. LR has run nowhere near 180 at Cheltenham in any year and are we really meant to believe that The Giant Bolster is suddenly a 170+ beast.
Timeform have Sprinter Sacre on 174p. RPR have Synchronised on 175. I think we all know which one of these is a ballpark figure.
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