Ruth Kelly

Originally posted by krizon@Jan 8 2007, 12:14 PM
It's the government which provides State facilities, and as a member of the reigning government, Mrs Kelly is demonstrating that she doesn't have the levels of confidence that the government has in providing these services.

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"Reigning government" - that says it all really doesn't it? We used to have SERVING governments.

It makes me larf when I see friends - or their children - who still vote Labour tying themselves in knots about schools for their kids. Any parent who fails to send their kid to the very best school they can find/afford, on ideological grounds, is failing in their duty to their child, imo. Children are not the property of the state - yet. Btw I fully supported comprehensive education when it came in, and voted accordingly - I now think it's been a disaster. It's also hugely augmented the class divide - eg my parents were just about prepared to let me go to a grammar school; they would NEVER have sent me to a comp. I might have finished up as narrow minded as my sister...

In this case, as I understand it the local council recommended this school to Ruth Kelly [for whom I normally have no time at all] on the grounds that they could not accomodate her child in a mainstream school. We must all remember that there is a terrible culture of bullying in schools now [it was rare in my day] and this impacts most of all on the disabled, esp 'slow learners'
 
We must all remember that there is a terrible culture of bullying in schools now [it was rare in my day] and this impacts most of all on the disabled, esp 'slow learners'
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It would be a sad indicator of the inadequacies in our society, and our governance, if the general solution to this particular problem was to exclude the disabled from mainstream education.
 
Originally posted by Headstrong@Jan 10 2007, 12:20 PM
We must all remember that there is a terrible culture of bullying in schools now [it was rare in my day]
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Headstrong, where is the evidence to support your assertion?

As a front-liner, I'd argue the opposite. Bullying was much more rife when I was a pupil than at any time in my near-30 years' teaching and if anything is less prevalent now than ever.
 
Originally posted by Headstrong@Jan 10 2007, 01:20 PM
We must all remember that there is a terrible culture of bullying in schools now
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Eh? How is it worse now?
 
Originally posted by archie+Jan 10 2007, 12:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (archie @ Jan 10 2007, 12:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Headstrong@Jan 10 2007, 12:20 PM
I might have finished up as narrow minded as my sister...
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The mind boggles! B) [/b][/quote]
I just wrote a very long reply to all your several points - but it vanished and I lost the site as I was posting it. Being ill I don't have the energy to re-write it right now

It started by pointing out that this is just the kind of stupid remark which makes TH such very heavy going, esp the Chit-Chat forum. I'm not in fact in the least bit narrow minded, having lived and worked abroad; lived quite a long life; had friends/lovers/even a husband from different races, cultures and backgrounds; read extensively; worked in several different fields inc a s a media/arts townie and as a farmer, &tc &tc.

Unlike many on here I've always been prepared to change my opinion when the evidence shows I was wrong. If I no longer believe what some strident people in the forum seem to consider to be unassailable 'truth' or the only acceptable set of opinions to hold, then that doesn't make ME narrow minded. Rudeness and personal abuse of people who think differently IS on the other hand evidence of narrow-mindedness. I think a lot of people on here need to grow up.

Right, back to FF where the men behave like gentlemen
 
Originally posted by PDJ@Jan 10 2007, 06:57 PM
So are you saying that you know more about bullying in schools than DO or me?
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Paul - you know how bad it was for me at school and the teachers were either unaware or apathetic so it is certainly possible that you dont know that much about bullying at schools
 
It is also certainly possible that I have learned a few things about it in the last few yea.rs
 
Originally posted by PDJ@Jan 10 2007, 06:57 PM
So are you saying that you know more about bullying in schools than DO or me?
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No of course not; but I might have a different perspective. As I said I wrote a long reply earlier - but I just can't do it again now... I have a fever and feel really rough.

As ovverbruv points out, sometimes the teacher is the last to know, as there is also a culture which forbids 'snitching'. Btw I have a minor disabilty which was very much worse when I was a child. I learned to keep a sharp tongue in my head. And I'm still very interested in everything to do with the phenomenom.

There's a culture of bullying on this forum btw. Luckily most of the intended recipients are too well-balanced to let it get to them.
 
I'm not sure there's a 'culture' of bullying on this forum, Heads, just a small number of individuals who grind away regularly at certain targets, and don't get slapped down for it. No, let me rephrase that:

BASH! THUMP!! Whaddya MEAN - culture? What are we - bleedin' bacteria? SLAP! Gowan, get back to your bed, yer snuffly little madam! SMACK!

Get better soon...
 
Am I being accused of bullying? I have no idea why if that is true. Believe me when I say that teachers know most of what goes on at school.
 
Originally posted by krizon@Jan 10 2007, 08:32 PM
Eh? I'm not accusing you... I'm far too frightened of you to do that... :(
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He's a big girls blouse Krizon, i reckon you would take the fight within 3 rounds :lol: :lol:
 
... and I am honing myself to peak fitness, too, this year, ovverbruv. Well, at least to be able to walk the 50 yards between the flat and the nearest bistro without needing a respirator...
 
Originally posted by krizon@Jan 11 2007, 03:02 AM
... and I am honing myself to peak fitness, too, this year, ovverbruv. Well, at least to be able to walk the 50 yards between the flat and the nearest bistro without needing a respirator...
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So is Paul, he almsot went to fat club at his school yesterday
 
It was so embarassing. I held the door open for a lady to get into the sports cebtre and she asked me if I was going to fat club too? Mortified just about sums it up.
 
Originally posted by PDJ@Jan 11 2007, 05:47 PM
It was so embarassing. I held the door open for a lady to get into the sports cebtre and she asked me if I was going to fat club too? Mortified just about sums it up.
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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