Ryan Moore

Gamla Stan said:
If he is committed to owners so much, how does he intend on attracting new owners to the sport if he isn't prepared to interact with a wider audience through the main medium to communicate with them, which is television interviews?
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I think that's a bit harsh on him to be honest.

Where does he say anything about attracting new owners to the sport and why would he have a responsibility to do so? I doubt Stoute is pressing him to attract new owners to the yard it's not as if he is an ambassador for Racing For Change or anything (not even they are at that stupid...).
 
trackside528 said:
I think that's a bit harsh on him to be honest.

Where does he say anything about attracting new owners to the sport and why would he have a responsibility to do so? I doubt Stoute is pressing him to attract new owners to the yard it's not as if he is an ambassador for Racing For Change or anything (not even they are at that stupid...).
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I think all of racing's stakeholders have a responsibility to attract new owners to the sport given the financial state it's in.
 
Sportsmen, women and managers the world over regularly have a go at the media (particularly football).

To suggest that a jockey can't have a pop at the insular media that surrounds his sport (an important distinction from external media where no one gives a toss about Lee Mottershead and Ryan Moore) on the basis that no one else would (which isn't true) is a laughable argument.
 
Gamla Stan said:
If any owners leave the sport because Ryan Moore gives RUK an interview, they're better out of the sport anyway!
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His point was clearly made that the owner is entitled to his opinion before the media. And I would agree with him. You could argue that his interview won't attract any owners either.

Also, the media should not intrude on the owners enjoyment. When your pride and joy is arriving back after winning a race, the last thing you want to see is some reporter sticking a microphone in the face of your jock whose on board. I do think they go too far sometimes. When Brave Inca won the champion, they were interviewing Colm while the pictures were being taken. That's simply rude and unfair as it spoilt a moment that may never happen again.
 
I agree Cantoris and television is so full of its own importance I'm not sure they would get the point.

They are intrusive to the point of rudeness and in my opinion Ms. Balding is one of the worst offenders.
 
Moore is good enough to afford not to be at the service of this low grade journalists working as primadonas in the channels

Fabre was tired of the french press and has had years without chatting with them and he is the top french trainer and one of the best in the world.

As a punter and horseracing fan I like to listen to the interviews of people in the level of Ryan Moore, Oxx or Willie Mullins, but what I prefer is to have him riding as well as he does.
 
Most jockeys (and sometimes trainers, including AOB) are at their most informative in the immediate post-race euphoria of a big win. They often reveal information they might otherwise have kept in-house.

I suspect Moore tries especially hard not to reveal too much and struggles to find ways to be diplomatic about it. Being taciturn is probably a coping strategy but it begs the moral question, is it better to be like that and honest about it or to do smiley interviews right left and centre and give deliberately misleading information?
 
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I think that's a bit harsh on him to be honest.

Where does he say anything about attracting new owners to the sport and why would he have a responsibility to do so? I doubt Stoute is pressing him to attract new owners to the yard it's not as if he is an ambassador for Racing For Change or anything (not even they are at that stupid...).
I think all of racing's stakeholders have a responsibility to attract new owners to the sport given the financial state it's in.
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Spot on and also keep punters on board, who have plenty of alternatives these days

The "none of your business" attitude to the media is simply dictating the same to the public. Im not sure thats where Ryan was coming from (cant be bothered to look) but ultimately PR is vital in the short, medium and longer term

No one will necessarily walk out in a huff because of a bad piece of communication but its like the rude receptionist in business, it chips away

The media could be more thoughtful but the sport has to be careful. It doesn't have a great public image (especially flat racing) as it is

I like ryan and its clearly not easy for him at times, but it has to be part of the job with no argument

the least important part of this equation are already committed racing fans and owners (such as on this forum). They barely matter at all. it is those that are hovering on the fringes of following or investing in the sport
 
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clivex said:
Spot on and also keep punters on board, who have plenty of alternatives these days

The "none of your business" attitude to the media is simply dictating the same to the public. Im not sure thats where Ryan was coming from (cant be bothered to look) but ultimately PR is vital in the short, medium and longer term

No one will necessarily walk out in a huff because of a bad piece of communication but its like the rude receptionist in business, it chips away

The media could be more thoughtful but the sport has to be careful. It doesn't have a great public image (especially flat racing) as it is

I like ryan and its clearly not easy for him at times, but it has to be part of the job with no argument

the least important part of this equation are already committed racing fans and owners (such as on this forum). They barely matter at all. it is those that are hovering on the fringes of following or investing in the sport
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Great post Clive, agree with all of that.
 
Lester Piggott treated the press far worse, yet, as I recall, never "had a bad effect on public relations"?
It's Ryan's job to ride winners, and the more he emulates LP, the more he's likely to attract to the sport.
 
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In lesters day it was virtually the only the betting show in town. the sport could almost afford to act in a high handed manner. Flat Racing still gets an audience but as a sport thats followed, i reckon its well down from its profile at that time

No reason why ryan cant be a good jockey and good pr. Its not that difficult.

thanks stan
 
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Excellent posts from Clivex.

Rightly or wrongly, racing's image isn't terribly wonderful, and like it or not, it's vital that its leading (human) players have a good rapport with the public and are aware of their responsibilities as representatives of the sport to the wider world.

Moore's prattish behaviour hardly helps in this respect. It's unfortunate, to put it mildly, that so many champion flat jockeys like Piggott, Eddery, Carson, Spencer and now Moore, come across as being uncooperative or half-baked, or both. (Thank heavens for Cauthen and Dettori, neither from these islands).

Perhaps some of the people in the sport who think it's clever to behave in this way will be able to learn something from the London Olympics.
 
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He is a very difficult character to warm to. There is something strangely cold and empty about him that a Betfair column isn't going to fill.
 
Venusian said:
Excellent posts from Clivex.

Rightly or wrongly, racing's image isn't terribly wonderful, and like it or not, it's vital that its leading (human) players have a good rapport with the public and are aware of their responsibilities as representatives of the sport to the wider world.

Moore's prattish behaviour hardly helps in this respect. It's unfortunate, to put it mildly, that so many champion flat jockeys like Piggott, Eddery, Carson, Spencer and now Moore, come across as being uncooperative or half-baked, or both. (Thank heavens for Cauthen and Dettori, neither from these islands).
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In what other sport are participants asked "Are you off today", or its journalistic equivalent?
 
Moore can be as unco-operative as he wants but if he's going to be like that he needs to make sure his riding is beyond reproach to keep the punting public on his side.

His ride aboard Strong Suit today was a shocker (admittedly only Kirby on the winner gets pass marks).
 
Re the Melrose comment, would it have killed him to say something like "Well ultimately it's up to the connections and I haven't discussed it with them but he's a nice horse and a possible Melrose type in my opinion"? Not giving away any plots or secrets, making it clear the owner / trainer are in charge, voicing an innocuous opinion, complimenting the horse and at least going through the motions of engaging with the media/watching public.

Either embrace wholeheartedly the media responsibilities encumbent on just about any modern sportsman at the top of his field, or make a black-and-white statement on the same lines as Robert Thornton that he'll only give interviews after talking to the connections, but this half-arsed reluctance just makes him come across as churlish, arrogant and cold.
 
Cruella said:
Re the Melrose comment, would it have killed him to say something like "Well ultimately it's up to the connections and I haven't discussed it with them but he's a nice horse and a possible Melrose type in my opinion"? Not giving away any plots or secrets, making it clear the owner / trainer are in charge, voicing an innocuous opinion, complimenting the horse and at least going through the motions of engaging with the media/watching public.
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I'm sure such a comment would be an affront to connections who would almost certainly combust in a spontaneous manner. I mean, really!
 
Ardross said:
I am afraid Ryan Moore is his own worst enemy . All he needed to say is that he was not feeling up to it due to his nasty falls .

He is acid , monosyllabic and incommunicative to most of the racing journos even when they are asking perfectly valid questions . The Melrose issue in this case is nonsense - Hislop was not asking is he going for the race but is he the right type .

I am sure he has been asked endless bollocks in the past which may well have soured him against journalists but it is no excuse for rudeness all the time . I am afraid that the way he has treated them in the past may mean that he gets an unsympathetic press when he may well have justified reasons for being incommunicative .
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I'd agree... Journalists do ask the silliest questions on occasions and Moore is a po-faced brat at the best of times. Both are trying to do a job (and should be trying harder) but I reckon that Lee is more sinned against than sinning here and Ryan is a bit silly to take him on in this way.
 
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