Saddam To Be Executed

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BAGHDAD, Iraq -
Saddam Hussein will be executed no later than Saturday, said an Iraqi judge authorized to attend his hanging. The former dictator's lawyers said he had been transferred from U.S. custody, but an Iraqi official said he was still in the hands of American guards.
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The physical transfer of Saddam to Iraqi authorities was believed to be one of the last steps before he was to be hanged, although the lawyers' statement did not specifically say Saddam was in Iraqi hands.

"A few minutes ago we received correspondence from the Americans saying that President Saddam Hussein is no longer under the control of U.S. forces," according to the statement faxed to The Associated Press.

The statement said U.S. officials asked the lawyers to cancel a trip to Baghdad for a last meeting with Saddam, saying he was no longer in American custody.

Munir Haddad, a judge on the appeals court that upheld Saddam's death sentence, said he was ready to attend the execution.

"All the measures have been done," Haddad said. "There is no reason for delays."

In Baghdad, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has signed Saddam's death sentence, a government official said. The official, who refused to be identified by name because he was not authorized to release the information, said that Iraqi authorities were not yet in control of Saddam. The discrepancy could not be explained.

"We have agreed with the Americans that the handover will take place only a few minutes before he is executed," the official said.

The defense team statement called on "everybody to do everything to stop this unfair execution."

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said opposing Saddam's execution was an insult to his victims. His office said he made the remarks in a meeting with families of people who died during Saddam's rule.

"Our respect for human rights requires us to execute him, and there will be no review or delay in carrying out the sentence," al-Maliki said.

Bryan Whitman, a
Pentagon spokesman, said U.S. forces were on high alert.

"They'll obviously take into account social dimensions that could potentially led to an increase in violence which certainly would include carrying out the sentence of Saddam Hussein," Whitman said.

On Thursday, two half brothers visited Saddam in his cell, a member of the former dictator's defense team, Badee Izzat Aref, told The Associated Press by telephone from the United Arab Emirates. He said the former dictator handed them his personal belongings.

A senior commander at the Iraqi defense ministry also confirmed the meeting and said Saddam gave his will to one of his half brothers. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

Saddam's lawyers later issued a statement saying the Americans gave permission for his belongings to be retrieved. However, Raed Juhi, spokesman for the High Tribunal court that convicted Saddam, denied that the former leader's relatives visited him.

An Iraqi appeals court upheld Saddam's death sentence Tuesday for the killing of 148 people who were detained after an attempt to assassinate him in the northern Iraqi city of Dujail in 1982. The court said the former president should be hanged within 30 days.

There have been disagreements among Iraqi officials in recent days as to whether Iraqi law dictates the execution must take place within 30 days and whether President Jalal Talabani and his two deputies have to approve it.

In his Friday sermon, a mosque preacher in the Shiite holy city of Najaf called Saddam's execution "God's gift to Iraqis."

"Oh, God, you know what Saddam has done! He killed millions of Iraqis in prisons, in wars with neighboring countries and he is responsible for mass graves. Oh God, we ask you to take revenge on Saddam," said Sheik Sadralddin al-Qubanji, a member of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in
Iraq, known as SCIRI, the dominant party in al-Maliki's coalition.

With at least 72 more Iraqis killed Thursday in violence, U.S. officials and Iraqis expressed concern about the potential for even worse bloodshed following Saddam's execution.

In the latest violence, a suicide bomber killed nine people near a Shiite mosque north of Baghdad on Friday, police said. A round of mortar shells also slammed into al-Maidan square in central Baghdad, wounding ten people and damaging shops and buildings in the area, police said.

Gunmen killed two employees of an oil company and another civilian in Mosul, 250 miles northwest of Baghdad. Two civilians and a policeman were fatally shot in separate attacks in Musayyib, about 40 miles south of the capital, police said.

U.S. troops, meanwhile, killed six people and destroyed a weapons cache in separate raids in Baghdad and northwest of the Iraqi capital, the U.S. military said.

One of the raids targeted two buildings in the village of Thar Thar, where U.S. troops found 16 pounds of homemade explosives, two large bombs, a rocket-propelled grenade, suicide vests and multiple batteries, the military said.

Iraqi forces backed by U.S. troops also captured 13 suspects and confiscated weapons in a raid on a mosque southeast of Baghdad, the U.S. military said Friday.
 
The Shi'ites and Kurds will be ecstatic, but once the lynchpin holding their hatred together has finally gone, with no hope of staying in jail until miraculously released one day (and I'm sure there'll be a number of Sunnis believing that would be possible - as well as him resuming power in due course), the country will have to get down to pulling itself together. The people can't continue to bleat about being 'occupied' if the alternative is out-and-out religious internal warfare.

If it can't or won't, then I can see the wisdom in splitting Iraq into three semi-autonomous areas: Sunni, Shi'a, and a nice little Kurdistan - the latter pleasing the Turks, too, who have had the Kurds screaming for their own patch on the globe for long enough. It's not as if being carved up is anything new to the old Mesopotamia, anyway!

I'm not in favour of capital punishment, but there are thousands of Shi'ites and Kurds (and even a significant number of Sunnis) who have wailed over the brutalized remains of their loved ones for decades, and who demand only one result. Whether this sends a ripple of concern out to other despots, heaven knows - I fear that they're usually so self-deluded and fawned over by terrified sycophants, they'll probably dismiss this event as just Saddam's bad luck.
 
This is not in my name. I was trying to think of a word to describe Sky News' coverage of this post natal termination. Masterbation was the best I could come up with.
 
Once upon a time, Christians were taught 'an eye for an eye' and believed that was just and right, and had no qualms about executing, often in a variety of interesting ways, traitors, murderers, smugglers and highwaymen. Now we've decided that that isn't very pleasant, but the Muslims are still holding to their Koranic tenets. There have been a heartening number of reprieves from execution in Saudi Arabia recently by the families of murder victims, but I don't think the bereaved of Iraq will be so forgiving. As a lot of Christians in many American states continue to uphold the righteousness of execution, thus most Muslims will wish to uphold this.

There is no way the Shi'ites and the Kurds would want to contemplate the remotest possibility that this man could come out of jail at some point - perhaps through some reversal of government - and even resume a position of influence. It's easy for us sitting thousands of comfortable miles away from the masses of dead, damaged, and displaced Iraqis to think it's wrong to kill a killer, but for those affected it is the only acceptable result.

When I think back to the atrocity exhibit in Kuwait City, a year after the end of the Gulf War, I remember the photo of the Kuwaiti man dipped in acid. The Kuwaitis' memories haven't faded, even if the photographs have, and that is another people who will give thanks for the despatch of a sadistically cruel despot and his regime.
 
My gut reaction is that its tactically the wrong move. It's going to be near on impossible to predict how things will pan out, but given our track record of calling it, the evidence points to things deteriorating further.

Is it not the simple case that in terms of practical resistance and the leadership of it etc new organisations and loyalties have started to emerge anyway, and have effectively passed Saddam by? I'm far from convinced that his execution changes anything materially, all it will do is corale the disperate and divided disaffected into an ever more concentrated group, and serve to unify them with the removal of one alternative/ loyalty etc. He's largely symbolic now, and for such time as he remains incarserated he remains pretty well neuted in practical terms. Therefore, it's difficult to think that the inserection will die with Saddam, (quite the opposite) and so his execution can't really be seen as being much more than symbolic in itself. If you're telling me that the bombings will stop the next day, and all will live happily ever after, then I could go with it, but I doubt anyone believes that for one second. They told us 12 months ago that holding free elections would put an end to the bloodshed too, and begin the healing process :lol:

Ironically, as the only man who was able to exercise any sense of control over the spread of radical Islam in the country, he might have had a role to play yet if the rope was dangled in front of him everytime he looked like not co-operating?

You can only execute someone once, and I reckon in a few years time we'll see the folly of having rushed into doing so. For such time as his warrants signed you could invoke at any time
 
There's an easy remedy - don't patronise the offending airwaves if they're upsetting you. Look, it's the biggest international headline since the Russkis offed the spy or Milosevic conked out before even getting a sham trial. Everybody will want to clog up their airtime in the excitement - what does Al-Jazeerah have to say?

There shouldn't be exulting by the West, but you'd better brace yourself for fireworks and feasts by his victims' families.
 
In the UK, a supposedly civilised society, treason is still a capital offence. What Saddam did, without any doubt was far,far worse than treason. People of his ilk consider themselves way above the parameters of normal society and imo deserve to die.
Whether his execution helps or hinders the search for a solution in Iraq is an entirely different debate.

Fwiiw the toppling of Saddamis imo is the right action for the wrong motive. The lack of a plan for the aftermath is a gross and irresponsible neglience. I have great sympathy for the decent, ordinary people of Iraq who probably form the large majority of the country's population and feel that those who initiated the ongoing chaos should not be allowed to have any input into the determination of their future.
 
From bbc.co.uk


Saddam Hussein executed in Iraq

Former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein (File photo)
In a last act of defiance Saddam Hussein refused to wear a hood

Saddam's fall
Former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein has been executed by hanging at a secure facility in northern Baghdad for crimes against humanity.

The news was confirmed to the BBC by the Iraqi deputy foreign minister.

Iraqi TV said the execution took place just before 0600 local time (0300GMT). A representative of the prime minister and a Sunni Muslim cleric were present.

Two co-defendants, Saddam Hussein's half-brother and a former chief judge, are to be executed at a later date.

All three were sentenced to death by an Iraqi court on 5 November after a year-long trial over the 1982 killings of 148 Shias in the town of Dujail.

A small group of Iraqis witnessed the execution inside a building at an Iraqi compound known by the Americans as Camp Justice, a secure facility in the northern Baghdad suburb of Khadimeya.

They watched as a judge read out the sentence to Saddam Hussein. The former Iraqi leader was carrying a copy of the Koran and asked for it to be given to a friend.

The noose was then placed around his neck. When the hangman stepped forward to put the hood over his head, Saddam Hussein made it clear he wanted to die without it.

The execution took just a few minutes.

Video footage of the execution is expected to be released as final proof of Saddam Hussein's demise although it is expected to stop short of showing the actual death.

US troops and Iraqi security forces are on high alert for any violent backlash. The US State Department has urged all its embassies to increase security.

'End of a dark period'

News of Saddam Hussein's execution was broadcast on state-run Iraqiya television, as patriotic music and images of national monuments were played out.

Saddam Hussein was hanged first, followed by Barzan and then Bandar, it announced. However, an Iraqi national security advisor, Mouwafak al-Rubaie, later said only Saddam Hussein was hanged.

"We wanted him to be executed on a special day," Mr al-Rubaie told Iraqiya, adding that Saddam Hussein "totally surrendered" and did not resist.

Saddam Hussein's half-brother Barzan al-Tikriti and Iraq's former chief judge Awad Hamed al-Bandar are to be executed some time after the Eid festival ends next week, he said.

Other Arab TV stations aired live footage of the sunrise over Baghdad's Firdous Square, where US Marines pulled down a statue of Saddam Hussein, after he was deposed in April 2003.

The BBC's Peter Greste in Baghdad says Shias have generally welcomed Saddam Hussein's death and hailed the execution as justice for the suffering endured under his leadership.

But Saddam's own Sunni tribesman were angered by his treatment and may well protest once more, our correspondent adds.

'Held to account'

US President George W Bush hailed the execution as "an important milestone" on the road to building an Iraqi democracy, but warned it would not end the deadly violence there.

He said: "It is a testament to the Iraqi people's resolve to move forward after decades of oppression that, despite his terrible crimes against his own people, Saddam Hussein received a fair trial.

"It is an important milestone on Iraq's course to becoming a democracy that can govern, sustain, and defend itself, and be an ally in the War on Terror."

UK Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett welcomed the fact that Saddam Hussein had been tried by an Iraqi court "for at least some of the appalling crimes he committed" and said "he has now been held to account".

France called on Iraqis to "look towards the future and work towards reconciliation and national unity".
 
Originally posted by Gareth Flynn@Dec 30 2006, 03:24 AM
In the UK, a supposedly civilised society, treason is still a capital offence.

I'm pretty sure that was changed a few years ago.
Yes it was- capital punishment for treason and piracy on the high seas was abolished by the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 - we then signed the 6th Protocol to the European Convention on Human Rights preventing us from reintroducing it without leaving as a signatory and moreover without leaving the EU .

Oops wrong protocol
 
Although he was a mass murdering genocidal monster I take no pleasure from this circus .

It just reinforces how the human race degrades itself when we kill in the name of justice.
 
Originally posted by Merlin the Magician@Dec 30 2006, 11:35 AM
Pictures now on prior to execution(Putting rope on him unmasked) and after death wrapped in a white stroud via 24 hr BBC NEWS....
I don't think it was the same guy. I suspect that somewhere in between he was bundled out and is now in hiding somewhere. :ph34r:
 
With all due respect Ali, surely the issue is the fact that it has happenend, and the ramifications of it?
 
Originally posted by PDJ@Dec 30 2006, 04:41 PM
Aligupter knows better than CNN and BBC news??? We need to know more.
Not really, I was watching the news at 2.40am and it said he'd been executed.

I just think they should at least get the time of his death correct.
 
Whatever our personal stance re capital punishment, I think that in this case one of the overriding reasons for Saddam's execution was to ensure that at some point, a Sunni mob would not storm the prison, kill the guards, and spring him.

The other reason would be that a Shi'ite/Kurdish mob would not be able to storm the prison, push past the guards, and lynch him - in the same way that Saddam's Ba'athist Party did to Prince Feisal, prior to taking control of the country. The prospect of televisions showing a mutilated Saddam dangling from a lamp-post would hardly help to settle the ongoing bloodshed.

Religious and tribal partitioning to follow: 4-5 in my book.
 
Originally posted by krizon@Dec 30 2006, 10:02 PM
Whatever our personal stance re capital punishment, I think that in this case one of the overriding reasons for Saddam's execution was to ensure that at some point, a Sunni mob would not storm the prison, kill the guards, and spring him.

The other reason would be that a Shi'ite/Kurdish mob would not be able to storm the prison, push past the guards, and lynch him - in the same way that Saddam's Ba'athist Party did to Prince Feisal, prior to taking control of the country.
Surely imprisoning him elsewhere would`ve prevented that. Just seen the pictures up to the rope going round his neck on the news and i felt kinda sorry for him. Executions are wrong full stop.
 
It would have been easy to indict him in any one of a dozen 'friendly'countries and hold him outside of Iraq to prevent any of those scenarios. I understand Eastern Cuba has proven popular in some quarters. Considring he was supposed to be a terrorist sponsor (hence being on the axis of evil) there would be no shortage of precedents to operate under.

4/5? I'd say that's about right, but they'll want to do something about Iran first to reduce the prospects of a Shi'ite South, with the oil fields and ports falling under Tehran's influence. I'm not sure that they can easily ask Syria and Iran to take on the responsibility, as they'll be laying themselves wide open to the allegation of rewarding the axis? and it doesn't require a great leap of imagination to foresee the Sunni Iraq, which will presumedly host the former Republican Guard regiments, and in terms of fighting personnel, be infinately more capable, than the South, duly launching against them in the medium term.

It's tricky, but it looks like America could well be commiting itself to the preferential treatment and military support of a fledgling nation surrounded by hostile enemies.
 
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