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Will Robert McCartney's family get justice ?

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Let alone the Northern Bank raid which has now been proved to be the work of the IRA we have the murder of Robert McCartney which was also carried out by IRA members . PROVEN FACT !!!! Only one person has been arrested although at least 15 people were involved acording to the family . The IRA have suspended 10 people in total but it's conspicuous that they hav'nt gone to the police . Excuse me while I'm physically sick .
 
Hard to say yes or no. Its all well and good Mr Adams says this in public but if nothing is happening on the ground there will be no justice. Listened to his speech in full today and same old crap from them. By jesus they hate McDowell....he has really ruffled their feathers.
 
McDowell has no time for them either and I think he's quite right to take that stand but where will that leave us . The sad fact is that we have to liase with murderers to stop more deaths from happening . Heartbreaking stuff , especially for those who have lost someone
 
The McCartney family's courage is something else, I just hope they don't end up getting used by politicians with certain agendas.
 
I agree with you on that Gareth . They have shown outstanding courage in their pursuit of the truth . I admire them greatly
 
I can't understand why the Shinners didn't think that this crime was reprehensible before those brave women came out. Otherwise this would just be another forgotten mafia execution.
 
bar room brawls happen every weekend the world over, whilst it is horrific, it is not unique to the north of ireland.
 
bar room brawls happen every weekend the world over, whilst it is horrific, it is not unique to the north of ireland.
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A man with his head well stuck into the Sands...
 
Hello Dara,

"Bar room brawls happen every weekend the world over"
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That's true. While I don't have the statistics to hand, I doubt whether too many of them involve the murder of one man; the attempted murder of another whose throat was slit; a largeish team recruited to work through the night to clean up and eremove any semblance of forensic evidence from the crime scene; in excess of seventy witnesses who were all "in the toilet" at the time of the offence; intimidation of families and bystanders to prevent any information getting to the police.

Have a good Cheltenham.
 
If you had seventy or so people in the toilet at any given time you would need a largeish team to clean up throughout the night.
 
Slightly off topic, but did anyone see Mary Lou MacDonald on Q&A last night (RTE). Dedicated and hard working she may be, but surely the thickest person ever to be a public representative.
 
News is just coming in that IRA says it was prepared to shoot the men blamed for the murder of Robert McCartney. So that makes it all alright then.
 
Yea and Gerry Adams in his speech at the Sinn Fein Conferance this weekend has now said "Some people think Sinn Fein Fein members don't have the same perception of criminality as the majority of people " He went on to condemn Robert McCartneys murder and said that he wanted to see the people responsible "before the courts " .
In the Belfast Telegraph Addams is reported to have given the names of 7 volunteers to the PSNI . In response to that , the clique who were responsible for the murder or their supporters have painted "Gerry Adams is a tout " on a gable wall in the same street as the McCartney family . This is the dicotemy of life here .
Addam's and McGuinnes are walking a tightrope because the hardliners think they are betraying them . The point the hardliners have overlooked is that murderous attrocities are no longer sanctioned by the majority of normal people here . People thankfully no longer live in fear of retaliation in the main . We have thankfully had fewer attacks in recent years and it is giving people here more confidence to expect better .
Of course that could be a naive interpretation of events as we have learn't to our cost here most of the main party's have two faces . They used to call it ruling by the armalite and the ballot box. Use your private army to instill fear then use your political wing of that party to pretend you have contained the situation but you have some demands that need to be met . Rules of the game are that you never admit that the political arm and military arm are part of the one organisation . If people suss that out you're fXXcked .
I agree with what you said Brian , they never condemned the behaviour until the sisters spoke out . Also it has emerged in the media today that they offered to shoot the person's responsible .
Mafia is the term that springs to mind , not elected party representative and so they defeat their own purpose
 
The IRA's offer was pretty good, considering it was to be gratis: have you SEEN the prices for a professional Mafia hit?
 
Originally posted by krizon@Mar 9 2005, 03:23 AM
The IRA's offer was pretty good, considering it was to be gratis:  have you SEEN the prices for a professional Mafia hit?
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The people who live here see things somewhat differently . . We are law abididing citizens and we want trial by law . I know by Jons quote that she did'nt mean any harm by the way it was said but this is the general attitude from the outside world . We're either a bad joke or bad news . People don't seem to grasp that what happens in N. Ireland has a direct bearing on the UK
 
I think we're all as sick and tired of the whole thing as you are, Sols, and it's gone through tragedy to farce, back to tragedy, and back to farce, so many times, in so many guises, that a bit of drama fatigue sets in.

I think the family has been marvellous in not wanting 'revenge', but justice. But, frankly, given the likelihood of that record so far, why the hell not have settled for having the fuckers shot and out the way, follow it up with Ian 'Mad Dog' Paisley (the biggest obstacle to interreligious tolerance since Pontius Pilate), and get the thing sorted.

I know everyone is supposed to be righteously up in arms about the 'scandalous' remarks made by the IRA. Maybe I am the only person on the entire planet who isn't. A finish, then and there, to the known murderers, would have been a quiet deal done professionally. Given that everyone who could help the family now appear to be suffering from collective deafness, blindness, and dumbness, their desire for 'justice' is going to be a long, exhausting, emotionally draining time for them. If they want to expend their life force on this probably hopeless quest, that's up to them. But if it had been me, knowing what we know the chances of a court appearance by the accused and witnesses would be, I'd have taken up the Special Offer.

You made the 'Mafia' connection, by the way. The IRA isn't like the Mafia. The Mafia wouldn't do a job for someone not connected to it, and within itself, there are prices to pay. It seemed to me the IRA would've cleaned the slate without expecting any false loyalties afterwards.
 
Do the family know exactly who the murderers are though Kri. If not the IRA might just have been ridding themselves of a few dissidents.
 
Tomster, apparently (I say apparently, because I'm relying on media here!) the McCartneys were actually told the names of their brother's killers by the IRA itself, so that if the family didn't want them disposed of through their services, they could give the info to the polizei in the hope that they eventually will (cue pictures of calendars turning to the year 2026, wan and exhausted faces still pleading, etc.).

I have the feeling that the IRA has a fairly short fuse on dissidence :angry: which doesn't normally extend to pratting around involving outsiders. It usually seems to be discouraged by a bullet to the back of the brain, which is intended to preclude it from harbouring further disloyal thoughts, rather than to inflict sudden death, of course.
 
The three main suspects have been named in the media today by who else but the Mail . I can't see this beeing a positive step given the familys obvious desire to follow the judicial process . All three are high ranking volunteers in Belfast and are certainly not disadents .
One has already given an interview to a paper in the south whitewashing any claims by the family that it was a murder and prefering to state that it was a bar room brawl in which he himself claims to have been wounded . Another was at one point a private bodyguard of Addams and McGuinness .
Another family have come forward today from the republican area of Ardoyne , Belfast today believing that their brother also is an IRA murder victim on 13th Feb . At the time his death was filed as a hit and run but they too claim to have faced a "wall of silence" in their pursuit of the truth .
If that wasn't enough a Derry family whose brother was also murdered recently have said that they were actively dissuaded from interfering in the trial of their brother's murderer because they were told at the time that the man had no IRA links . They have since found out that this information was a smokescreen to protect the man . He got a three year sentance .
It seems as if the McCartneys have opened the floodgates and as one of those interviewed said when asked about how the IRA and Sinn Fein could continue in tandem "You can only ride two horses at the same time for so long before you fall of one of them "
 
Well, it's a bloody good rider so far, Sols - they've managed for decades, and I'd rather, depressingly, doubt that these new 'revelations' will make any difference, don't you?
 
Of course, let it be known that the IRA Army Council still believe their commands to effectively be the rule of law considering that they feel themselves to be the actual direct descendants and follow on from the Irish Provisional Government set up during the crisis of the War Of Independence
 
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