Soldiers killed in Northern Ireland -Why?

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Tout Seul

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First let me state my viewpoint.
I'm essentially non religious but feel that people have the right to practise what ever the religion they espouse. Politically I empathise with the ordinary working person and in Northern Ireland my take is that a great deal of the injustices that were still prevalent in the latter part of the 20th century have been eradicated. Progress in dealing with remaining issues seemed to be relentless and the likelihood of the ordinary folk be able to live in a stable and progressive society is no different to that in any part of this group of islands off the coast of Europe.

So what the hell motivates the killers? Not asking anyone to justify but, on the basis of know your enemy, I would appreciate any insight.
 
It's just utterly depressing and desperately sad to see this again. The two soldier's killed were in their early twenties.
 
just a bunch of pricks. Hope Northern Ireland spews out this filth and gives them up immediately so that it doesnt go back to being a thug run lawless mob rule province like before
 
It's just utterly depressing and desperately sad to see this again.
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Well said.

An explanation of what motivates them might be along the following lines.

The people doing this regard themselves as the keepers of the true republican tradition. They are the staunch ones; everyone else is weak. Ever since 1916 those who have agreed to compromise are cowards and those now helping to run Stormont are traitors to the cause. The southern state has no legitimacy either because the British are still present on Irish territory.

Equality legislation, fairer housing allocation, better employment opportunities mean nothing to these people. In fact nothing in what the rest of us would regard as the real world has any value to them. The only meaningful prize is a 32 county republic and until that goal is achieved everything else is worthless.
 
It was just over 12 years since the last soldier was killed in Northern Ireland. Utterly galling to think their could yet be a return to the days of murder and retaliatory attacks
 
If anybody wants an expansion of Grey’s input, this will probably bore you rigid. From memory so detail not assured.

The only all-Ireland parliamentary (Commons) elections post 1916 proclamation of the Irish Republic, were in 1918 and 1921. Sinn Fein won 73 of 103 seats in 1918 and formed the 1st Dial, (Mandated by the proclamation of 1916) which met in the Mansion House. This of course was seen as sedition by the British and the war of independence ensued.

The 2nd Dail of 1921 (last all-Ireland election for parliament) ratified the treaty, which legitimised partition, which was subsequently carried by referendum. The anti-treaty faction rejected this mandate as illegal and the civil war ensued. Despite defeat, and the main republican rump reforming as ‘slightly constitutional’ Fianna Fail, the republicans never accepted the legitimacy of the new-formed state. In 1938 a group of 7 of these TDs from the 2nd Dail (In their view they were still the legal executive) transferred their authority to the Army Council of the IRA who then became the operational government of Ireland.

It gets complicated after that, but eventually there was a split in the IRA in 1986 (Ballot Box and Armalite split). The last remaining of the 1938 group still alive then was Tom Maguire of Mayo, TD in the 2nd Dail. As he technically was the head of State at this point, both the Ruari O’Bradaigh and Gerry Adams [IRA] factions sought his blessing as the true successors of the 2nd Dail. He gave it to O’Bradaigh and as such his military wing, The Continuity IRA, under Republican theology, became the legitimate government and army of our State. (The Real IRA are their other brand).

[FONT=&quot]These are the people who ended the lives of these two young men last night. [/FONT]
 
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I don't believe these people have any support amongst the ordinary people of the north anymore. They need to be removed and I believe they will be.
 
One can understand people who fight against injustice, though not necessarily condone their methods, but if I am correct these feckers actually make it less likely that a united Ireland will exist.

In the absence of discrimination and when there is little economic difference (both economies are awful) then Joe Public probably doesn't care too much what colour flag flies.
 
A friend who lives just outside Belfast expressed to me some months ago that he felt the situation was deteriorating and he was worried.
I am not sure all the people who belong to the real IRA are motivated by historic regions.
 
Is there a generation coming through who weren't necessarily worn down by the so called 'troubles' (always struck as an under-statement for what was a regional civil war) the 'tiff' the 'spats' etc and have formed some kind of mispalced sense of romantic duty?, or is it more likely that anyone in their early to mid 20's wouldn't be able to carry out a campaign without it being sanctioned by some kind of command structure (as I would assume was the case?)
 
In the absence of discrimination and when there is little economic difference (both economies are awful) then Joe Public probably doesn't care too much what colour flag flies.
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Not often alluded to (because its rather humdrum) is the fact that membership of the EU and the gradual move towards a single market as well as general globalisation, made squabbles over borders and "national identities" a lot less relevant than they had been.

Terrorist groups such as these are driven by a mix of pure race/nation hate mixed with a brainwashed quasi religous mania. Given power, its one step away from nazi germany and pol pot with these morons
 
Would tend to agree with Sheikh,

I think there's a desperate sense here of people trying to get things going again to justify their existence. A peaceful province is of no interest to these people, I think to talk about their historical origins and motivations etc is to give them far too much credit.
 
For me the really important question is who actually did it.I know who has claimed responsibility but the CIRA haven't been able to do anything before -why now.Has a new group emerged or are there multiple micro groupings.
 
My first reaction to the second shooting was that the two groups are co-ordinating and planned the timing of the two attacks - the second attack being a reminder that the other group are stepping up their activities a few days after the RIRA.

Hopefully the arrests last night indicate that these scum aren't getting any help from their communities and that the PSNI are getting the info they require.

I just pray the loyalists don't start up again, could get a bit hairy if the tit for tat attacks start again.
 
I watched the BBC 24 NEWS earlier they went into the Bogside and 99% of the youths were anti U-K and wanted violence brought back onto the streets....obviously these were catholics being the area they went too......

Seems to me its been reincarnated, to return us to the days of bloody Sunday etc...

Sad really if we go back to this when a lot of progress has been made in Stourmount to try and work out a peaceful remedy to this ongoing problem........

I fear if these people are not caught very soon, trouble is going to escalate and become out of hand again....
 
Merlin the Magician said:
I watched the BBC 24 NEWS earlier they went into the Bogside and 99% of the youths were anti U-K and wanted violence brought back onto the streets....obviously these were catholics being the area they went too......
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That's shit journalism and not the reality of the situation. They are naturally anti UK seeing as they're Northern Irish Republicans but 99% of the people want peace.
 
Hopefully Mr. Adams and little McGuiness can point the police in the direction of these republican maggots.

don't hold your breath though!!!
 
harry said:
Hopefully Mr. Adams and little McGuiness can point the police in the direction of these republican maggots.

don't hold your breath though!!!
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There have been a no. of high profile arrests of dissident republicans over the last year or so. Where do you think they where getting the information.
 
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