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The 2025 Ebor Handicap

Terry B said:

Horse​
Problty​
System​
Bookie​
Value​
French Master
0.335892035​
2/1​
7/1​
VALUE​
Shadow Dance
0.272661372​
11/4​
7/1​
VALUE​
Ethical Diamond
0.233555261​
10/3​
6/1​
VALUE​
My 3 for the Ebor dutch 3 154.5% ROI why is Hipop fav
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I'm sure it's here somewhere.

I actually find the site very easy to navigate - I hope you keep persevering.

Life without TH is like a broken pencil - pointless.
 
Terry B said:
I said he was a false fav any I'm pulling the plug on this site can't any postings I've done I've had a good day 11/1 winner got 7/1 the Ebor winner but I can't find my post can you
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If you're quitting the forum just quit.
 
Terry B said:
I said he was a false fav any I'm pulling the plug on this site can't any postings I've done I've had a good day 11/1 winner got 7/1 the Ebor winner but I can't find my post can you
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Yep, it was posted at 11.54 but I'm an old dinosaur so it took me a minute to find it
 
What will Ethical Diamond's next race be? He's not in the Irish St Leger and WM ruled out the Melbourne Cup because he thought the horse wouldn't pass the Australian veterinary checks ( screw in a leg ? ). He didn't think next year's Ascot Gold Cup would suit as Ethical Diamond was too free-going. Do they wait for a handicap hurdle off 143 or even for something like the Yorkshire Cup?
 
Jayhawk said:
What will Ethical Diamond's next race be? He's not in the Irish St Leger and WM ruled out the Melbourne Cup because he thought the horse wouldn't pass the Australian veterinary checks ( screw in a leg ? ). He didn't think next year's Ascot Gold Cup would suit as Ethical Diamond was too free-going. Do they wait for a handicap hurdle off 143 or even for something like the Yorkshire Cup?
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Irish Leger
 
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Irish-trained horses have now won nine of the last 17 renewals, five of the last seven and all three of the last three.

Their grip on the race is intensifying.

Every year there are British-trained horses, who look well in, but something from Ireland most likely floors them.

We see it over Jumps and we see it in staying handicaps on the Flat.

They're better and more shrewdly trained campaigned.

Some waste hundreds of hours debating the decline of British racing - I don't care about the decline of British racing, I'd rather focus on piggybacking as a punter on the success of whoever is successful.

Me and "Leafy" joke about how we become Irish citizens for the week at the Cheltenham Festival - we often want Irish horses to win even more than the Irish do.

We don't care where winners are trained so long as we backed them.

Ethical Diamond is a cracking horse.

Still only a 5yo, he's only had 14 races and he's been 3.75l fourth in a County Hurdle off BHA OR 143, he's won a Royal Ascot Duke Of Edinburgh off BHA OR 96 and now he's won an Ebor off BHA OR 104.

Maybe he's simply better on the Flat but, if he's simply improving, a BHA OR of 143 over hurdles looks exploitable to me.

Absurde also won an Ebor off BHA OR 104 and later won a County Hurdle off OR 138.

I wouldn't know where Ethical Diamond goes next, but I'd have the Greatwood at Cheltenham in November in mind after any more runs on the Flat this autumn.
 
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Fair enough, for me it's just a question of which major Handicap Hurdle he wants to pick off with the horse because on what he did yesterday I'd say he's potentially BHA OR 155+ over timber.
 
Ian_Davies said:
Fair enough, for me it's just a question of which major Handicap Hurdle he wants to pick off with the horse because on what he did yesterday I'd say he's potentially BHA OR 155+ over timber.
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His next run over hurdle could be the County hurdle.
 
There has to be a strong chance that Willie will have something even better handicapped than ED for the County, probably already in the diary.
 
He won that very impressively + is obviously improving. I imagine his hurdling campaign will be ground dependent. Ge wouldn't want it on the soft side. As DO alludes. Something better than the County hurdle would be considered. Potentially some soft graded hurdle races here.
 
I wonder what he will do with Hipop De Loire now.

It was clearly significantly less fancied on the day than the winner, but it was only beaten five lengths in sixth.
 
Ian_Davies said:
I wonder what he will do with Hipop De Loire now.

It was clearly significantly less fancied on the day than the winner, but it was only beaten five lengths in sixth.
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Definitely a good race in him. I've watched the finish of the race a few times this morning. One smack of the whip 1f out , then nothing. Just hands n heels. Not too vigorous either.
 
I've had a very superficial dekko at the form.

Ethical Diamond's Flat mark lagged behind its hurdles one going into Ascot, after which it was raised 8lbs to make them roughly equivalent. It has now come out, defied that rise and beat a host of plots in a mega-handicap. It would well go up another 8lbs. Let's say it does. That would take it up to 112, so the equivalent of around 154 over hurdles and would therefore have a ball-park 11lbs in hand of its mark (143).

No doubt Mullins would be identifying major hurdles targets for it but would he send it over fences? It could end up a serious Arkle contender if it were to prove, as is often the case, 10lbs better for jumping fences.

If it does go up another 8lbs, that would be 16lbs' improvement in a relatively short space of time. How much more improvement could he have? He's only five.

Could he end up a Champion Hurdle contender?
 
If Ethical Diamond is kept for the County I'd imagine he'd open between 6/1 and 8/1 favourite at entry stage, that would last all of five minutes, he'd be half the price 24 hours later and, unless the ground went against him, you'd be glad to get 2/1 come race day.

But Slim would know more about modern trading room modus operandi than me and I could be way off with these numbers.
 
The first time Ethical Diamond was any way off over hurdles was the County Hurdle. At Punchestown the two JP horses weren’t off, so he won by default. I’m not sure he’s a betting proposition going forward, as absolutely no one is going to miss him. Last year one of Ethical Diamond or Absurde was expected to be the County Hurdle plot, and Willie pulled Kargese out of thin air. If he has finally learnt to behave and settle, then he should be going off very short in a handicap hurdle — or is he just a better flat horse?
 
Ian_Davies said:
If Ethical Diamond is kept for the County I'd imagine he'd open between 6/1 and 8/1 favourite at entry stage, that would last all of five minutes, he'd be half the price 24 hours later and, unless the ground went against him, you'd be glad to get 2/1 come race day.

But Slim would know more about modern trading room modus operandi than me and I could be way off with these numbers.
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Swap Ethical Diamond for Absurde in your post and you could have written that this time last year.
 
I bet Absurde when he won it two years ago (aftertiming alert) and tbh I bet it under the odds (maybe many thought the ground had gone against it on the day) as it drifted.

I can't remember the market moves this year other than that I bet Kopeck De Mee at the vile, odds-compressing, NRNB for everything it was entered for, but to no avail.
 
Kopeck De Mee is a good example of ante-post hysteria that is now rife in the market every year. The year before it was Sa Majesté. There will be opportunities to swim against the Twitter hype horses again this year, as I think it will get worse, not better. Everyone wants to be on the same “plot,” and sometimes they’re seeing things that aren’t there.
 
I'm not one for following the money especially ante post it's a bookies paradise it's the overround on the day that matters and the percentages take the Ebor a lot where on the Mullins fav but I knew is second string was a better choice classier animal
 

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