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The 2026 Peter Marsh Handicap Chase

Euronymous said:
I've taken that price about Johnnywho (big fan of the Ascot form) and I'm going on Saturday. Looking forward to it.
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Enjoyable day out despite doing my plums in. Really impressed with OPS.

Johnnywho was bad and really despite getting 8/1 ante-post so I had the value, is that ever the case when you're backing a Jonjo horse. He's so bad.
 
The blunder three out was Myretown's first mistake. He jumped absolutely fine until then.

I need to see what Konfusion did two out again.

Given it was pretty much a three-way photo at the end of a 6-runner race, the chances are the handicapper can't put them up much at all. I reckon they will all still be very competitively handicapped going into the spring festivals but they will be up against numerous Irish bandits.
 
Desert Orchid said:
The blunder three out was Myretown's first mistake. He jumped absolutely fine until then.

I need to see what Konfusion did two out again.

Given it was pretty much a three-way photo at the end of a 6-runner race, the chances are the handicapper can't put them up much at all. I reckon they will all still be very competitively handicapped going into the spring festivals but they will be up against numerous Irish bandits.
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Generous1991 said:
He jumps beautifully until he doesn't.
Give Patrick Wadge another go!
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Aye, rarely gets round without throwing one in that has him on or near the floor.
 
Desert Orchid said:
The blunder three out was Myretown's first mistake. He jumped absolutely fine until then.

I need to see what Konfusion did two out again.

Given it was pretty much a three-way photo at the end of a 6-runner race, the chances are the handicapper can't put them up much at all. I reckon they will all still be very competitively handicapped going into the spring festivals but they will be up against numerous Irish bandits.
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Hard to get excited about anything from the race.
 
Desert Orchid said:
As succinct a way of putting it as you'll find.

The chances are Fox will ride it at Aintree so maybe best that he keeps riding the horse in the hope he learns to read it better.

I hope most people weren't impressed by the race.
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Deeply unimpressed. Very well handicapped horses that can't jump.
 
What about The Bowl at Aintree for Imperial Saint now? Or is that a step too far?

I was impressed with that. I think he might kick on again from it.

I was on today, but not at the mammoth prices some got.
 
Yeah he was obviously on a right curve off 127 in the Ultima. Only two runs this season though and we're nearly in February. I haven't read the reports but I wonder if he's had a setback or something at some point.

There's a case could be made he's going backwards and needs lowering now in the handicap to win a race.

But each to their own insofar as the National is concerned. On his very best form he'd have an each way chance, but that form was off a much lower mark.
 
The Fortune Teller said:
Yeah he was obviously on a right curve off 127 in the Ultima. Only two runs this season though and we're nearly in February.

There's a case could be made he's going backwards and needs lowering now in the handicap to win a race.
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To be perfectly honestly you wouldn't have a clue about handicap marks.
 
Desert Orchid said:
Watching the race I would have disagreed so I watched it again and then checked the stats. Hardly an illustration of poor jumping. Quite the opposite, I'd have thought.

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The speed lost stat is independent of other horses, obvs.
The lengths gained is relative: is it relative to the other horses in the race or to some calculated average idea?
 
Good questions, Generous. I'd presumed the illustrated 'median' applied generally across all races or at least for the course.

Hopefully someone can enlighten us.
 
“RaceiQ’s Lengths Gained Jumping (LGJ) is a metric that uses GPS data to quantify a horse's jumping efficiency, measuring lengths gained or lost against the field's median at each obstacle
. It breaks down jumps into 60-meter windows, measuring entry speed, speed lost at landing, and recovery time. A positive LGJ indicates a more efficient jump, crucial for identifying superior jumpers. “
 
barjon said:
“RaceiQ’s Lengths Gained Jumping (LGJ) is a metric that uses GPS data to quantify a horse's jumping efficiency, measuring lengths gained or lost against the field's median at each obstacle
. It breaks down jumps into 60-meter windows, measuring entry speed, speed lost at landing, and recovery time. A positive LGJ indicates a more efficient jump, crucial for identifying superior jumpers. “
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Thanks!
"... against the field's median...", i.e. against the other horses in the race, I suppose.
 
So, for example, the stats above show Imperial Saint and Richmond Lake to have jumped well by absolute metrics, losing little speed in jumping and jumping well according to what a good jump looks like.
But for Myretown and Konfusion all the stats say is that they jumped better than Royal Pagaille but were otherwise average.
 
I reckon Myretown would have been much closer to the top had he not made that blunder three out. It cost him a huge amount of ground and energy and affected his jumping at the last two as well. It made me think that maybe he had hurt himself.

Those metrics are enigmatic, though. I checked Myretown's for the Ultima and he was only average for the 'jump index' yet top for lengths gained. That seems contradictory.

Same yesterday. Average in the 'jump index' (despite those last three fences) yet third overall in lengths gained (again despite those mistakes) and fourth overall for finishing speed (yet again despite those).
 

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