Euronymous
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Being compared to Stalin by some fucktard sat next to Merton on Have i got news for you. Hislop isn`t a fan either - sanctimonius little twat.
The Blair 'legacy'
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Yes, Gareth, that IS a downside. It's Luddite in its retro-thinking. IF I could get a train service that cost me no more than the petrol I use for work, IF I could get regular bus services which either served work purposes, shopping purposes, or the occasional jaunt out of town, I'd use reasonable alternatives. I never felt the need to have a car in my twenties - I walked to a bus stop and went to work on via bus. I owned a bike, I walked a lot. But there's perhaps a limit to how much a woman wants to ride the late-night buses full of leery male drunks of all ages, thanks. Ditto the Tube. Maybe you don't have far to go in any particular direction, maybe you don't like getting out and about much full stop. Maybe you have a cracking bus service which isn't parked in the bus garage by 10.30 at night? My car is available any time, to go anywhere, it doesn't go on strike, it doesn't fail to work if there are leaves on the road, it does about four journeys for the price of one via train. May I point out that trains run on electricity, and how do you think all those millions of miles of tracks' energy gets made? By solar panels?
As a woman, I like my own space, thanks. Maybe blokes don't mind sitting next to boozy, swearing, falling-about other blokes, or seeing a guy wanking off in front of them (one charming episode by train, I thank you), or standing for over an hour in a lurching carriage because there's no bloody room? When you're YOUR age, you can be smug about not having a car or being driven around in one (it's like inhaling someone else's pot - just because you didn't pay for it, doesn't mean you don't benefit from it). Oh, one other thing - I can do a huge amount of shopping at the same time as I buy petrol, go to work, all in one hit with my car. I can only carry SO many bags - maybe three - so I'd need three bus trips in order to stock up with the same amount of stuff the car can take for me. I can go to the local garden centre for both myself and other gardeners (sans cars) and get compost, soil, sand, tubs, tools, and plants in one go. Try making a garden by using a bike for transport. The alternative? The garden centre will deliver it by ... oh, yes, by a van, with a petrol engine! Farcical faux environmental claptrap.
As a woman, I like my own space, thanks. Maybe blokes don't mind sitting next to boozy, swearing, falling-about other blokes, or seeing a guy wanking off in front of them (one charming episode by train, I thank you), or standing for over an hour in a lurching carriage because there's no bloody room? When you're YOUR age, you can be smug about not having a car or being driven around in one (it's like inhaling someone else's pot - just because you didn't pay for it, doesn't mean you don't benefit from it). Oh, one other thing - I can do a huge amount of shopping at the same time as I buy petrol, go to work, all in one hit with my car. I can only carry SO many bags - maybe three - so I'd need three bus trips in order to stock up with the same amount of stuff the car can take for me. I can go to the local garden centre for both myself and other gardeners (sans cars) and get compost, soil, sand, tubs, tools, and plants in one go. Try making a garden by using a bike for transport. The alternative? The garden centre will deliver it by ... oh, yes, by a van, with a petrol engine! Farcical faux environmental claptrap.
Obviously he implemented some good policies but he was completely and utterly wrong with regard to Iraq and there are no excuses because plenty of advisors with brains made it perfectly clear what the outcome would be and it is to his great discredit that he did not listen - I would not wish to have the deaths of both innocent Iraqis and British military personnel on my conscience.
I find it particularly distasteful that a profitable lecture circuit beckons for the Blairs bearing in mind that much of his 'clebrity' status will be based on events in Iraq.
Finally, his failure to prevent the leisure park mentality that now prevails in the Labour Party with regard to agriculture and the British Countryside.
I find it particularly distasteful that a profitable lecture circuit beckons for the Blairs bearing in mind that much of his 'clebrity' status will be based on events in Iraq.
Finally, his failure to prevent the leisure park mentality that now prevails in the Labour Party with regard to agriculture and the British Countryside.
Euronymous
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Kathy
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I remember being on the phone to someone when the boss popped his head round the corner and said John Smith had died. After what seemed like an eternity in opposition we had grounds for believing that Labour might once again win an election, something that I’d given up on after 1992 when surely everything was in place for them, and they still failed. I remember feeling a sense of being kicked in the teeth it seemed everything was some how lodged to conspire against us. One person however coolly said Tony Blair would be the next leader and would win. I was reminded of what a friend had told me in 1983 (an SDP Councillor – remember them?). “We’ll form a Government by the end of the century”. I dismissed them, (though in fairness I couldn’t see where Labour were going to) but suddenly the accuracy of this prophecy hit me, albeit that it was unfolding through the backdoor.
In those days I was a Labour Party member, but the prospect of ‘Bambi’ was too much to stomach. I’ve probably had a naturally affinity with lost causes and the under-dog etc (see Leeds United thread). I left the Labour Party shortly after his election. I knew my Labour Party history well enough to know the party has a habit of shafting its natural support, and the manifestation of Blair was only destined to go in one unedifying direction. I did so in the knowledge though that the Tories simply had to go, and that as unpalatable as it was to me, the Blair ‘third way’ was the best vehicle to achieve this, I just couldn’t go through with it personally.
In 1997 I witnessed his election ‘walk about’ in Leicester. Well ‘walk across’ would be more accurate as it involved a 5 minute stump speech, and a 30 second walk (about 50yds) from one side of Town Hall Square to other whilst his ‘battle bus’ picked him up the other end. By now I’d taken up residence with a minority fringe left group, and about 30 of us had assembled to greet him. Clearly, our presence had rattled the advance party as Alistair Campbell had made a point of coming over to us 20 minutes before St Tony stepped down to the strains of “Things can only get better” and pretty well told us to F off, and that Blair wouldn’t respond to us, told us that we were working for the Tories, and that we were hijacking the Labour message etc The last point was quite bizarre given that if any hijacking was going on then it was Labour’s of the centre right, and we represented the abandoned remnants of Socialism. In any case, we’d formed a separate break-away party (unlike the Trot groups of the late 70’s and early 80’s) who could be described as hijacking Labour.
Suffice to say 30 seconds into his stump speech Blair was forced into confronting our barracking and general presence, much to the increasing annoyance of a visually furious Campbell. We even made ITN live, much to the annoyance of their correspondent Mark Webster, who reported some quip that was shouted from the crowd about “when are you going to dance for us Lionel” which the silly prick reported as evidence that we thought we’d turned for the wrong Blair etc and were disappointed etc
Election night itself was hilarious, though I went into it with a sense of surely this time, but daring not to hope too much. I needn’t have fretted, the wipe-out was apparent very early when Dame Gill Knight lost Edgbaston, and Basildon, for so long the bastion and flag bearer of the C1, C2 and D 'Essex man went'. I have to concede to watching Tory grandee after grandee fall with a sense of more than just mild amusement. 8 Cabinet Ministers lost seats, (Port a loo being the most amusing) it must have been about 2.00am before they finally won a seat, and the country woke up the next day with a definite sense of optimism. Even I was hopeful rather than expectant, but none the less it felt like the ice had melted on the Moskva River and good times might flow.
All of this long winded trip down memory lane is of course for context as much as anything, but those early days did seem to have optimism, drive and energy. We had a young Prime Minister who could do ‘keepy uppies’ with Kevin Keegan without looking like a dickhead. He won the EU summit bike race, when the likes of Kohl and Chirac refused to take part believing they were above such stunts to promote green travel etc. He got off to a flyer to when he led the Diana mourning industry. The Royal family appeared badly of touch with national sentiment. William Hague only seemed able to relate the death to his party (quite a few of whom were calling for the woman to be muzzled only a few days previous). Basically, we had somebody who seemed to be in touch with the people and was capable of striking a chord that was hitherto unknown to a generation in politics.
When I look back on Blair, I’m kind of struck by how much of what he achieved/ did, was done so in the first couple of years. Scottish and Welsh Assemblies, the management of the peace process in Northern Ireland, reform of the House of Lords etc. From a personal professional view, the newly formed Social Exclusion Unit were churning out policy documents every week it seemed, and it was even implied that money would be available to back the initiatives. ‘Cool Britannia’ was in full flow, the legacy of which was to morph into a seemingly unhealthy obsession with skin deep and shallow celebrity at a later date. In many respects the idea of superficial presentation and appearance taking on greater importance than substance is perhaps something that eeked its way into the popular culture of the Blair years and to no small extent you can finds enough traces of it in his Government. The dark arts of spin doctors became more widely appreciated. Where as Bryan Gould might have been Labours first, Peter Mandelson, and later Campbell himself would take it to an altogether new level.
The ‘big ideas’ however, seemed to dry up quite quickly, and were replaced with a sense of ‘National Management’. In this respect I’d say his biggest legacy to the party wasn’t so much its reform, (that process was well advanced under Kinnock and Smith). For the first time ever, his tenure (or perhaps Gordon Browns?) had established a reputation for competent economic management that the Labour Party had never previously enjoyed. A strange thing started happening circa 2000-01. People answering the standard opinion poll question “which party do you trust most” etc were suddenly giving Labour an edge over the Tories on the economy. For years this had been a stumbling block to Labour forming Governments, and the opposition had played the ‘scare them senseless’ card with ruthless efficiency, invoking ghosts of the IMF and the ‘Winter of discontent’ to the detriment of Labour who didn’t understand business and finance etc This journey has of course now been completed, with the Tories now experiencing positive scores on traditional Labour ground such as the NHS, the Environment and to a lesser extent Education. The economy however, remained buoyant and the “tax bombshells” and “double whammys” were never really exposed, even though my own pocket was telling me they were biting. The party legacy however, I'd suggest rests in the idea that the economy shouldn't prove the stumbling block to future electoral success, until such time as Labour proves otherwise. A closer inspection of this legacy though, probably means that Gordon Brown was its architect, and an even closer examination would lead you to Kenneth Clarke in one of those perverse kind of ironies that power politics throws up.
No assessment of Blair however, can possibly be complete without the "I word". Along with many others I’ve vexed myself on this one, and can rarely think of a British Prime Minister who’s been so badly blown off course by the antics of an American President, and given that they should have been politically unacceptable to each other, I can only assume that a bonding was forged through a different medium? In this case I wonder about the impact that Blair’s Christian fundamentalism played? I can only speculate though, as there are other explanations which would account for this too.
Along with million of others, I took to the streets of London one Saturday in February for the biggest protest march in UK history. I use the word march loosely as such were the numbers involved, my recollection is one of a very slow shuffle, interspersed with periods of standing stationary waiting for bottlenecks to clear. Somehow, I knew then that the game was up, but Blair battled on against a rising tide. Remember we, (the anti’s) were in the minority in those days according to the opinion polls. Slowly the case for his crusade was to fall apart, and although they don’t seem to publish polls today on the subject anymore, I’m under the distinct impression, we’re now the majority view.
Prime Ministers suffer over time. In some cases it involves a catastrophic misjudgement the effects of the drip feed of disapproval they seem to be incapable of escaping from (Blair – Thatcher). In other cases it’s a saturation of cumulative gaffs that becomes over-powering and suffocates the incumbent (Major – Callaghan). Ultimately, what I think happens is the Prime Minister becomes insulated, surrounded as they are with self-serving sycophants who cut off their tentacles and they lose touch with reality. Indeed, that Blair has nominated himself as having a role to play in some how uniting the worlds faiths just serves to illustrate that he might be suffering from such delusions. With a few exceptions in America, I can’t think of anyone less qualified to perform the role.
Iraq will inevitably be an indelible stain on his Premiership and given his sense of self-righteousness I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see him try and seek redemption in the medium term. In order to this though, he’s going to have to wait for a more obliging Whitehouse, but I can certainly see him trying to re-write history once ‘Yo Bush’ is of no influence any longer and can be safely castigated from a distance.
In truth his room for manoeuvre was limited, as the Americans would have pursued a unilateral course regardless. For the Tories to pretend they’d have done anything differently is disingenuous. He could have adopted a ‘quasi French’ position, or sent a few diplomatic aircraft and a frigate etc. I’m half reminded of a comment attributed to an anonymous Whitehouse staffer, who said “He actually believes this. Furthermore, he actually thinks he’s going to get something out of it”. I remember a Diplomatic friend of mine whom I met in November 2003 at CDG (terminal 3) “you’ll be lucky if a you get a filling station outside of Basra. The Americans will have the lot” he said. It was during this conversation that I was assured for the first time that there wasn’t, nor was there ever, any WMD in Iraq. Most people believed there was still, and even I thought there must be something (if on nothing like the scale that we were led to believe) in line with stockpiles that most countries hold etc
It’s just about possible that if we can extricate ourselves from Iraq he might survive the worst ravages of history, and things such as economic management might come to the fore. Personally I doubt it.
For the time being I’m half expecting to get caught on a speed camera driving home to watch a series of programmes containing D list celebrities or something with an equally banal property related angle, because I can no longer have a fag in the pub.
In those days I was a Labour Party member, but the prospect of ‘Bambi’ was too much to stomach. I’ve probably had a naturally affinity with lost causes and the under-dog etc (see Leeds United thread). I left the Labour Party shortly after his election. I knew my Labour Party history well enough to know the party has a habit of shafting its natural support, and the manifestation of Blair was only destined to go in one unedifying direction. I did so in the knowledge though that the Tories simply had to go, and that as unpalatable as it was to me, the Blair ‘third way’ was the best vehicle to achieve this, I just couldn’t go through with it personally.
In 1997 I witnessed his election ‘walk about’ in Leicester. Well ‘walk across’ would be more accurate as it involved a 5 minute stump speech, and a 30 second walk (about 50yds) from one side of Town Hall Square to other whilst his ‘battle bus’ picked him up the other end. By now I’d taken up residence with a minority fringe left group, and about 30 of us had assembled to greet him. Clearly, our presence had rattled the advance party as Alistair Campbell had made a point of coming over to us 20 minutes before St Tony stepped down to the strains of “Things can only get better” and pretty well told us to F off, and that Blair wouldn’t respond to us, told us that we were working for the Tories, and that we were hijacking the Labour message etc The last point was quite bizarre given that if any hijacking was going on then it was Labour’s of the centre right, and we represented the abandoned remnants of Socialism. In any case, we’d formed a separate break-away party (unlike the Trot groups of the late 70’s and early 80’s) who could be described as hijacking Labour.
Suffice to say 30 seconds into his stump speech Blair was forced into confronting our barracking and general presence, much to the increasing annoyance of a visually furious Campbell. We even made ITN live, much to the annoyance of their correspondent Mark Webster, who reported some quip that was shouted from the crowd about “when are you going to dance for us Lionel” which the silly prick reported as evidence that we thought we’d turned for the wrong Blair etc and were disappointed etc
Election night itself was hilarious, though I went into it with a sense of surely this time, but daring not to hope too much. I needn’t have fretted, the wipe-out was apparent very early when Dame Gill Knight lost Edgbaston, and Basildon, for so long the bastion and flag bearer of the C1, C2 and D 'Essex man went'. I have to concede to watching Tory grandee after grandee fall with a sense of more than just mild amusement. 8 Cabinet Ministers lost seats, (Port a loo being the most amusing) it must have been about 2.00am before they finally won a seat, and the country woke up the next day with a definite sense of optimism. Even I was hopeful rather than expectant, but none the less it felt like the ice had melted on the Moskva River and good times might flow.
All of this long winded trip down memory lane is of course for context as much as anything, but those early days did seem to have optimism, drive and energy. We had a young Prime Minister who could do ‘keepy uppies’ with Kevin Keegan without looking like a dickhead. He won the EU summit bike race, when the likes of Kohl and Chirac refused to take part believing they were above such stunts to promote green travel etc. He got off to a flyer to when he led the Diana mourning industry. The Royal family appeared badly of touch with national sentiment. William Hague only seemed able to relate the death to his party (quite a few of whom were calling for the woman to be muzzled only a few days previous). Basically, we had somebody who seemed to be in touch with the people and was capable of striking a chord that was hitherto unknown to a generation in politics.
When I look back on Blair, I’m kind of struck by how much of what he achieved/ did, was done so in the first couple of years. Scottish and Welsh Assemblies, the management of the peace process in Northern Ireland, reform of the House of Lords etc. From a personal professional view, the newly formed Social Exclusion Unit were churning out policy documents every week it seemed, and it was even implied that money would be available to back the initiatives. ‘Cool Britannia’ was in full flow, the legacy of which was to morph into a seemingly unhealthy obsession with skin deep and shallow celebrity at a later date. In many respects the idea of superficial presentation and appearance taking on greater importance than substance is perhaps something that eeked its way into the popular culture of the Blair years and to no small extent you can finds enough traces of it in his Government. The dark arts of spin doctors became more widely appreciated. Where as Bryan Gould might have been Labours first, Peter Mandelson, and later Campbell himself would take it to an altogether new level.
The ‘big ideas’ however, seemed to dry up quite quickly, and were replaced with a sense of ‘National Management’. In this respect I’d say his biggest legacy to the party wasn’t so much its reform, (that process was well advanced under Kinnock and Smith). For the first time ever, his tenure (or perhaps Gordon Browns?) had established a reputation for competent economic management that the Labour Party had never previously enjoyed. A strange thing started happening circa 2000-01. People answering the standard opinion poll question “which party do you trust most” etc were suddenly giving Labour an edge over the Tories on the economy. For years this had been a stumbling block to Labour forming Governments, and the opposition had played the ‘scare them senseless’ card with ruthless efficiency, invoking ghosts of the IMF and the ‘Winter of discontent’ to the detriment of Labour who didn’t understand business and finance etc This journey has of course now been completed, with the Tories now experiencing positive scores on traditional Labour ground such as the NHS, the Environment and to a lesser extent Education. The economy however, remained buoyant and the “tax bombshells” and “double whammys” were never really exposed, even though my own pocket was telling me they were biting. The party legacy however, I'd suggest rests in the idea that the economy shouldn't prove the stumbling block to future electoral success, until such time as Labour proves otherwise. A closer inspection of this legacy though, probably means that Gordon Brown was its architect, and an even closer examination would lead you to Kenneth Clarke in one of those perverse kind of ironies that power politics throws up.
No assessment of Blair however, can possibly be complete without the "I word". Along with many others I’ve vexed myself on this one, and can rarely think of a British Prime Minister who’s been so badly blown off course by the antics of an American President, and given that they should have been politically unacceptable to each other, I can only assume that a bonding was forged through a different medium? In this case I wonder about the impact that Blair’s Christian fundamentalism played? I can only speculate though, as there are other explanations which would account for this too.
Along with million of others, I took to the streets of London one Saturday in February for the biggest protest march in UK history. I use the word march loosely as such were the numbers involved, my recollection is one of a very slow shuffle, interspersed with periods of standing stationary waiting for bottlenecks to clear. Somehow, I knew then that the game was up, but Blair battled on against a rising tide. Remember we, (the anti’s) were in the minority in those days according to the opinion polls. Slowly the case for his crusade was to fall apart, and although they don’t seem to publish polls today on the subject anymore, I’m under the distinct impression, we’re now the majority view.
Prime Ministers suffer over time. In some cases it involves a catastrophic misjudgement the effects of the drip feed of disapproval they seem to be incapable of escaping from (Blair – Thatcher). In other cases it’s a saturation of cumulative gaffs that becomes over-powering and suffocates the incumbent (Major – Callaghan). Ultimately, what I think happens is the Prime Minister becomes insulated, surrounded as they are with self-serving sycophants who cut off their tentacles and they lose touch with reality. Indeed, that Blair has nominated himself as having a role to play in some how uniting the worlds faiths just serves to illustrate that he might be suffering from such delusions. With a few exceptions in America, I can’t think of anyone less qualified to perform the role.
Iraq will inevitably be an indelible stain on his Premiership and given his sense of self-righteousness I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see him try and seek redemption in the medium term. In order to this though, he’s going to have to wait for a more obliging Whitehouse, but I can certainly see him trying to re-write history once ‘Yo Bush’ is of no influence any longer and can be safely castigated from a distance.
In truth his room for manoeuvre was limited, as the Americans would have pursued a unilateral course regardless. For the Tories to pretend they’d have done anything differently is disingenuous. He could have adopted a ‘quasi French’ position, or sent a few diplomatic aircraft and a frigate etc. I’m half reminded of a comment attributed to an anonymous Whitehouse staffer, who said “He actually believes this. Furthermore, he actually thinks he’s going to get something out of it”. I remember a Diplomatic friend of mine whom I met in November 2003 at CDG (terminal 3) “you’ll be lucky if a you get a filling station outside of Basra. The Americans will have the lot” he said. It was during this conversation that I was assured for the first time that there wasn’t, nor was there ever, any WMD in Iraq. Most people believed there was still, and even I thought there must be something (if on nothing like the scale that we were led to believe) in line with stockpiles that most countries hold etc
It’s just about possible that if we can extricate ourselves from Iraq he might survive the worst ravages of history, and things such as economic management might come to the fore. Personally I doubt it.
For the time being I’m half expecting to get caught on a speed camera driving home to watch a series of programmes containing D list celebrities or something with an equally banal property related angle, because I can no longer have a fag in the pub.
cricketfan
At the Start
Warbs. Though we come from opposite sides the so-called political spectrum, I continue to be entertained and educated through your posts.
When Blair came to power, I had spent my entire memorable life under the Tories. I thought that I had become disillusioned with everything that they stood for. I too stood in an election hall cheering every big name to fall (though I am ashamed now of having canvassed for the Lib-Dems at the time).
In fact what I had become was disillusioned of was politics. I hadn't realised it at the time, but most electable politicians are the same. The Labour Party as I knew for most of my life, was all about Kinnock, union power and CND - all of which were, in my opinion, unrealistic. Smith came along like a breath of fresh air, but was gone all to quickly - I often wonder what kind of PM he would have made.
I was very a pro-European (and still am in as much as I think it makes for a strong trading force), I put myself in the Lib-Dem camp as a voter and when they came knocking at my door I signed up on that one policy alone.
All Blair (and to a large extent the proliferation of EU bureaucracy) has really done for me and I'd guess a large part of the population is turn me off politics as much as the Tory sleaze that is associated with the end of their tenure. He was meant to be so different but turned out to be just another self-interested, media-driven, professional politician that makes me yearn for a straight man with principals, whom I'd probably despise like Dennis Skinner, though he'd probably sell out too eventually. Even Kinnock has in his role on the EU gravy train.
Rant over. Thanks. :rant:
PS: If the Tories don't sort themselves out, next time I'm gonna vote Green.
When Blair came to power, I had spent my entire memorable life under the Tories. I thought that I had become disillusioned with everything that they stood for. I too stood in an election hall cheering every big name to fall (though I am ashamed now of having canvassed for the Lib-Dems at the time).
In fact what I had become was disillusioned of was politics. I hadn't realised it at the time, but most electable politicians are the same. The Labour Party as I knew for most of my life, was all about Kinnock, union power and CND - all of which were, in my opinion, unrealistic. Smith came along like a breath of fresh air, but was gone all to quickly - I often wonder what kind of PM he would have made.
I was very a pro-European (and still am in as much as I think it makes for a strong trading force), I put myself in the Lib-Dem camp as a voter and when they came knocking at my door I signed up on that one policy alone.
All Blair (and to a large extent the proliferation of EU bureaucracy) has really done for me and I'd guess a large part of the population is turn me off politics as much as the Tory sleaze that is associated with the end of their tenure. He was meant to be so different but turned out to be just another self-interested, media-driven, professional politician that makes me yearn for a straight man with principals, whom I'd probably despise like Dennis Skinner, though he'd probably sell out too eventually. Even Kinnock has in his role on the EU gravy train.
Rant over. Thanks. :rant:
PS: If the Tories don't sort themselves out, next time I'm gonna vote Green.
Colin Phillips
At the Start
Were you insulted by the spelling mistakes in the manifestos, Paul?
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Great stuff, Warbler.
Merlin the Magician
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PEE...But one must inquire as to how many draught copies the green party used to get it correct... 
I thought teachers never had any spare time??????? and were snowed under with their work?????
(don't let my daughter read this ,will you)
PEE I reckon there's not many other people did that! If any at all............. norty
Euro you talk some shite most of the time...why don't you add something that's constructive to the topics headings instead of trying to goad someone into a confrontation!! Or have you not the ability to debate, without using your gutter language...(see most other threads posted by you) I can swear as good as you if not better! But I do respect that others read my threads( ) (SOMETIMES??) on here we have youngsters and ladies? So in future just show a bit of respect for others who use this forum.......ta
By the way Rooney is overpaid for the so called job he supposedely is expected to do............thats my opinion........ :clap:
I thought teachers never had any spare time??????? and were snowed under with their work?????
(don't let my daughter read this ,will you)PEE I reckon there's not many other people did that! If any at all............. norty
Euro you talk some shite most of the time...why don't you add something that's constructive to the topics headings instead of trying to goad someone into a confrontation!! Or have you not the ability to debate, without using your gutter language...(see most other threads posted by you) I can swear as good as you if not better! But I do respect that others read my threads(
) (SOMETIMES??) on here we have youngsters and ladies? So in future just show a bit of respect for others who use this forum.......taBy the way Rooney is overpaid for the so called job he supposedely is expected to do............thats my opinion........ :clap:
Euronymous
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Can i put Merlin on ignore? I know it`s a facility available on other forums. All i`d be missing is a few :clap: , the odd :angy: and an occasional 
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.Flagship uberalles
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Dear Mr Jones:
Thank you for your perspicacious response to our recent invitation to vote for our party. However, in view of your inability to differentiate between 'drafts' and 'draughts', we're very pleased not to have you supporting us. If there's one thing we can't stand, it's an electorate which can't spell.
Yours faithfully
Conservative
Liberal Democrat
Labour
Pink Paws Gay Cat Party
Selly Oak West Anarchists
Flowerpot Men Party...
Thank you for your perspicacious response to our recent invitation to vote for our party. However, in view of your inability to differentiate between 'drafts' and 'draughts', we're very pleased not to have you supporting us. If there's one thing we can't stand, it's an electorate which can't spell.
Yours faithfully
Conservative
Liberal Democrat
Labour
Pink Paws Gay Cat Party
Selly Oak West Anarchists
Flowerpot Men Party...
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.....and then there's the laughable & unenforcable hunting 'ban'.
Everything about His Tonyness is pure plastic - can't say I'll be missing him myself (not that Brown will be much better though).
Everything about His Tonyness is pure plastic - can't say I'll be missing him myself (not that Brown will be much better though).
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That's a cracking post Warbler..
Colin Phillips
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......speaking of whom, on a wine tour, AGAIN!!!?????