The RAV System

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Tonto

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I have been running this laying system since the start of 2008.

Here are today's selections:

14:45 Stratford Supreme Present
15:05 Ascot Adaay
15:55 Stratford Neverownup
16:10 Thirsk Trixie Malone
16:25 Ascot Toormore
18:40 Nottingham Naivasha
19:40 Nottingham Kalahari Kingdom

Please note that there is a filter for this system which can't be applied until shortly before the off. However, even unfiltered, the system makes a long term profit. That said, I fully expect that the system will turn sour for a while and leave egg dripping from my face.
 
Bar the Bull said:
Welcome to the forum.

People are willing to discuss lots of things on here, but it is usually more fruitful for debate if you "show your workings".

I hope your system is top notch, Tonto.
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Like the Avatar.

Mum was Welsh. She was proud of being from there too. Bless her.

Without the filter, the system isn't top notch, but it's good enough.

Telling people how systems work isn't a good idea, is it?

It destroys the value in the selections and that ruins it for everyone. No?

So why am I posting selections?

So that people can make up their own mind as to whether I just talk the talk or whether I can walk the walk.

Basically, I've been laying horses for years but I'm now fresh out of ideas, and if truth be known, I have been for some time. I now need to work with people who have ideas that are new to me so that new systems can be developed.

I'm willing to offer up some of the things that I know for free - as a gesture of goodwill.

If I get something back, that would be good.
If I don't, that's life, I guess.
 
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That is fair enough, I guess.

It is probably going to be difficult to "connect" with people if you're offering just selections based on a system, with factors that are not revealed. However, the scope of discussion is very broad on this forum, with a decent angle on sectional timing, breeding, dosage, etc. There is very little discussion on betting systems on this forum, which is not to say that there won't be, particularly if somebody can add an insight into something we don't already know.

I'd encourage you to trawl the forum, get involved in discussion, contribute broadly and you will almost certainly get more out of the forum than you put in.
 
Bar the Bull said:
That is fair enough, I guess.

It is probably going to be difficult to "connect" with people if you're offering just selections based on a system, with factors that are not revealed. However, the scope of discussion is very broad on this forum, with a decent angle on sectional timing, breeding, dosage, etc. There is very little discussion on betting systems on this forum, which is not to say that there won't be, particularly if somebody can add an insight into something we don't already know.

I'd encourage you to trawl the forum, get involved in discussion, contribute broadly and you will almost certainly get more out of the forum than you put in.
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Thanks for the advice. I'll take it.

My initial thoughts are though that I'm in the right place.

Given that, as you say, there's little discussion about systems on this hollowed forum, I guess that it's up to me to prove that investigating systems is worthwhile.
 
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Here are today's results:

14:45 Stratford - Supreme Present – Won:mad: – SP 10/11 - P/L -1.00 pts
15:05 Ascot - Adaay – Lost:) – SP 5/1 - P/L +0.18 pts
15:55 Stratford - Neverownup – Lost:) – SP 8/13 - P/L +1.70 pts
16:10 Thirsk - Trixie Malone – Non-Runner:rolleyes:
16:25 Ascot - Toormore – Lost:) – SP 7/1 - P/L +0.12 pts
18:40 Nottingham - Naivasha – Lost:) – SP 7/2 - P/L +0.27 pts
19:40 Nottingham - Kalahari Kingdom – Won:mad: – SP 5/2 - P/L -1.00 pts

Stats:

Selections: 7

Winning Bets: 4:)
Losing Bets: 2:mad:
Non-runners: 1

SR: 67.67%

P/L: +0.27 pts:)

Note: P/Ls based on 1pt fixed liability stakes, exchange odds and includes commission.

Not the greatest day but a profitable one.
 
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Kalahari Kingdom got loose before the start and was moody when remounted-I got caught place laying him for a few quid-I wouldn't like to be backing him any time soon.
 
LUKE said:
Kalahari Kingdom got loose before the start and was moody when remounted-I got caught place laying him for a few quid-I wouldn't like to be backing him any time soon.
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There's a theory that horses aren't properly warmed up by the time they get to the start of a race and, contrary to popular belief, can actually benefit by getting loose provided that they don't run too hard for too long when they do. Jim McGrath is a big believer in this. I'd already layed Kalahari Kingdom by the time he'd gotten loose.
 
Here's Day 2 selections:

14:20 Hamilton- Alexanderkollontai
14:30 Ascot - That Is The Spirit
14:50 Hamilton - Light Of Asia
16:10 Hamilton - Tom Mann
17:00 Ascot - Short Squeeze
17:20 Hamilton - Remember Rocky
17:35 Ascot - Muteela
17:35 Ascot - Crowley's Law
17:55 Hamilton - Operatueur
18:50 Ripon - Fathom Five
20:10 Southwell - Bedouin Bay
 
Here's Day 2 selections:

14:20 Hamilton- Alexanderkollontai – SP 8/1 lost:) – P/L + 0.11 pts
14:30 Ascot - That Is The Spirit – SP 8/1 lost:) – P/L + 0.11 pts
14:50 Hamilton - Light Of Asia – SP 10/1 lost:) – P/L + 0.08 pts
16:10 Hamilton - Tom Mann – SP 5/2 lost:) – P/L + 0.38 pts
17:00 Ascot - Short Squeeze - SP 11/1 lost:) – P/L + 0.07 pts
17:20 Hamilton - Remember Rocky – SP 5/2 lost:) – P/L + 0.38 pts
17:35 Ascot – Muteela - SP 9/2 won:mad: – P/L -1.00 pts
17:35 Ascot - Crowley's Law - SP 13/2 lost:) – P/L + 0.13 pts
17:55 Hamilton – Operatueur - SP 3/1 won:mad: – P/L -1.00 pts
18:50 Ripon - Fathom Five - SP 7/2 won:mad: – P/L -1.00 pts
20:10 Southwell - Bedouin Bay - SP 11/4 lost:) – P/L + 0.35 pts

Today’s Stats:

Selections: 11

Winning Bets: 8:)
Losing Bets: 3 :mad:
Non-runners: 0

SR: 72.73%

P/L: -1.39 pts:mad:


Stats to date:

Selections: 18

Winning Bets: 12 :)
Losing Bets: 5 :mad:
Non-runners: 1

SR: 70.59%

P/L: -1.12 pts:mad:

Note: P/Ls based on 1pt fixed liability stakes, exchange odds and includes commission.

Not the greatest day but not a complete disaster either.
 
Aragorn said:
What does RAV stand for?

Welcome to the forum by the way.
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Thanks for the welcome.

When we calculated the Archie Score of RAV's base system, it was ridiculous. We thought that we had screwed up because it was off the scale. We even contacted the creator of the Archie Score and were assured that our calculations were correct. We therefore called the base system RAS - which stands for Ridiculous Archie Score.

We came up with a filter for RAS which further improved it. We called the system RAT - which was just the next letter in the alphabet after 'S'.

We then came up with an even better filter for RAS which further improved it. We called the system RAU - which was just the next letter in the alphabet after 'T'.

We then came up with two even better filters for RAS and further improved it. We call the system RAV - which was just the next letter in the alphabet after 'U'.

Yes -that sad.
 
Selecting horses before you see the betting is fraught with danger.

A few years ago I experimented on laying one horse per race using a bot.

The experiment went fantastically well and had as many as 25 consecutive winning bets,

The idea was to lay no hopers large stakes for small profit

So I topped up my Betfair account and when the money arrived I was so exited I went straight on and laid a horse called Benbane head at 16/1 4 hours or so before the rae.

When I log back on a few hours later Ruby's mount fr PN has been withdrawn along with another yoke and in the actual race the 2/1 fav Billy Magern falls when beaten

Benbane Head was returned at 8/1 and won by 7 lengths,

3 races later from a 20 runner field I lay one horse and it wins :0(

For some reason when you play with fun money you always seem to win. The reason being it is fun money so you are fearless.

Playing with real money is never the same.

My question is do you/are you backing these horses for real or not.

The reason I ask is there's a well known poster on TRF who put selections up every day and claims he makes x amount.

He post his selection and prices beforehand and yes over a period of time he shows great profits. He usually puts up anywhere between 3 and 5 horses in the same race.

The only problem is who he claims he bets with.

There is no way on this planet would he get these bets on at the prices he claims.....for example he'll put up something like 30 points at 20/1 with William Hill.

First of if you are winning on a regular basis Willie hill might say you can have a fiver on
at 20/1 and the rest at SP.

Secondly if you are winning like he claims he does they close your account as quick as look at you.

So while I theory he's making money my guess is he's full of crap and doesn't actually bet all of these horse if any which makes making life very easy.

Now the first thing I notice about your system is you are putting up sp's BUT you say it's exchange odds ?

So you are not giving us exchange odds which immediately tells me the prices you are putting up have been altered.

I apologies if I am wrong.

I myself multi dutch but if I put my selection up in every race I bet in the thread would be a mile long in days.

Straight of my spreadsheet todays results and the prices

Uttoxeter Dutch Winner 1.17
Hamilton Dutch Winner 1.20
Ascot Dutch Winner 1.37
Uttoxeter Dutch Winner 1.15
Hamilton Dutch Winner 1.21
Ascot Dutch Winner 1.18
Uttoxeter Dutch Winner 1.16
Hamilton Dutch Winner 1.21
Ascot Dutch Winner 1.22
Uttoxeter Dutch loser 1.30
Hamilton Dutch Winner 1.12
Ascot Dutch Winner 1.25
Uttoxeter Dutch Winner 1.37
Hamilton Dutch Winner 1.27
Uttoxeter Dutch Winner 1.16
Hamilton Dutch Winner 1.09
Ascot Dutch Winner 1.19
Hamilton Dutch Winner 1.15


Total invested was 1457.71

Profit 203.10

Which looks great but the only problem is if a couple of real loud ones had won the races I bet in I would have had a losing day which happens a lot more than I would care to admit.

tbh I have yet to see a system that makes someone rich.

I do multi dutching because it stops me from betting if that makes sense. I do make a profit but I won't be retiring any time soon.

What I don't do is bet blind which you are doing.

What I am trying to say is if you lay a horse early at say 6/1 and it's subject to a massive gamble and by the time the race comes round it's a 5/4 shot there's very little you can do about it except it cross your finger and pray.

I understand you talk about a filter and take it you mean you put a safety net in to reduce loses.

So if it happens you have got out at half or a quarter of you liabilty you can't claim it on here..................So what you are doing is giving us false figures.

In my experience the worst thing you can do is try and get out because you think a horse is about to win or lose.

In one day I lost 400 quid + on horses I tried to get out of to improve my profit.......I got caught 4 times in one day by clicking on the lay button thinking they were beaten and 4 times they won. If I had left it alone I would have actually made a good profit so now I keep well away from my mouse during a race.

Don't get me wrong I'm not having a dig at you personally but I had a belly full of systems on TRF and the arguments it caused........I looked in the other day and the same two idiots are still fighting about it and the moderator is too scared to ban either of them as the daily posts would drop like a stone.

So thanks but no thanks........as far as I am concerned the best way forward is to keep your system to yourself.
 
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Tonto said:
Thanks for the welcome.

When we calculated the Archie Score of RAV's base system, it was ridiculous. We thought that we had screwed up because it was off the scale. We even contacted the creator of the Archie Score and were assured that our calculations were correct. We therefore called the base system RAS - which stands for Ridiculous Archie Score.

We came up with a filter for RAS which further improved it. We called the system RAT - which was just the next letter in the alphabet after 'S'.

We then came up with an even better filter for RAS which further improved it. We called the system RAU - which was just the next letter in the alphabet after 'T'.

We then came up with two even better filters for RAS and further improved it. We call the system RAV - which was just the next letter in the alphabet after 'U'.

Yes -that sad.
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So what's an Archie Score? I could google it and pretend to know but you may as well explain!
 
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