The System

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I think this rather pertinent. Should be interesting viewing at least.

Press Release www.badpsychics.co.uk

http://badpsychics.com/thefraudfiles/modul...php?storyid=625


“Derren Brown has a system for winning at the horses. In this one-hour special, the maestro of mind control anonymously tells a single mum from London which horse will win at the next day’s races – again and again – culminating in a final, massive bet.

Investigating the psychology behind gambling and using his unique combination of skills to create guaranteed wins, Derren proves his system works every time. Not only that, but he explains it fully to us at home. But how fool-proof is this system and will his participant, believing in him and his predictions, risk her life-savings on one more race?

As Derren reveals: “I took a random member of the public and I told her which horse would win in a certain race; when it did win she was intrigued and I did it again and again and she started to bet more and more money according to my system. She's scraped together every last penny she could find and she is risking it all on one final race. Is it really possible to predict every time which horse will win? Welcome to The System."

Shot on locations including Sandown Park and Newbury race courses, Derren Brown: The System is an Objective production for Channel 4. It is produced by Simon Mills, and directed by Simon Dinsell. Executive producers are Andrew O’Connor, Anthony Owen and Derren Brown.”

It is due to air on January 25th 2008 at 9pm although this date has not yet been confirmed.
 
I find this stuff fascinating, and although i can work out how he's done some of his tricks (about 10%, with another 10% educated guess work) others leave me baffled. I know a lot of it revolves around auto suggestion and the planting of a 'sleeping ideas' subliminally, but there's other areas which are truly staggering, and dangerous I might add.

There's clearly some really quite intersting insights in what he's been able to do too, and it's helped set me off in some strange lines of thought ranging from who Jesus Christ was, all the way up to Sirhan Sirhan.

Anyway, returning to the case in point. I did see him at the dogs once with some strange method of getting paid out on losing tickets!!! It worked!!!! Even when the barcode was run under the scanner and the machine bleeped it as a loser, the cashier still paid!!!

It involved the punter saying "this is a winning ticket"

The cashier ran it under the scanner, the scanner bleeped it, and she said it wasn't.

Then Brown leant forward tapped three times on the counter window and said "this is the ticket that your looking for". She ran it back under the scanner, again it bleeped, and yet this time she apologised for her error and paid him out!!!

I had visions of everyone trying the stunt at ladbrokes the next day

The cashier had to be shown the footage to be convinced of what she'd done. Brown did confess that in his younger days he used to help himself to free money at London dog tracks by doing just this, often picking on the biggest outsiders he could find. Since then, he said, I've found honest ways of making more norty


I should perhaps own up that I once sent him an email on a patriotic issue (alright it involved the 2005 Ashes) he never responded, as strictly speaking my suggestion was decidely unethical and could have had massive reprocussions. Suffice to say i was interested in his ability to control an individuals actions from a distance. (some of you might recall how he's been able to make people literally stop in their tracks, whilst walking in the street from a third floor upstairs room at a distance of about 100yds?). Could he, I wondered, influence an old man in a white coat, to raise his finger, when a chorus of people shouted howzat to anyone wearing a green helmet? My suspicion is he could? but I'm damned if I know how without programming the person first, and this would need doing both covertly and over a period of time through auto suggestion without the person knowing. The secret seems to be establishing a set of circumstances that trigger a reaction, but thinking through these and how you introduce them seems to be the skill in the conditioning and manipulation process.

His penalty prediction abilities also set me wondering (given the number of times England get knocked out of major tournaments this way) too. Although in fairness, England have set about lowering the bar since then, and contrived other methods, such as the sure fire, fail safe, refuse to qualify one :laughing:
 
Agreed Warbler it's very dangerous. There have been lots of studies into whether Sirhan Sirhan and indeed Oswald were subjected to spook mind-bending, and at least in Oswald's case I'm sure it's true. It's seems clear he was an agent or maybe even a double agent. The applications of this kind of thing are not just scary in "24".

What I can't see in this instance, is how the horses can be bent to his will. I mean I can see how he could bend a woman's mind ot keep having bets [God knows mine doesn't need anyone else to bend it for me norty - but how does he get the horses to win if she's betting the night before?? As we know, horses can make fools of us all if they get up on the wrong side of the straw that day.......

Maybe I'm mis-interpreting the data here!
 
In the words of the late lamented Benny Hill, "road of borrocks"!
I'd rather take notice of Sid James' budgie in "Carry on whatever"
 
I can only assume he's used more than just one person and set up one of those cascading trees of probability giving a different tip to each person? Provided he keeps the selections to small fields he should find a case where at least one person has been given the correct sequence and has therefore built up the required level of trust or even dependency needed to make the victim manipulatable. (I often wonder if some of these so called tipping services don't do something similar in giving out different tips to different people for the same race) and thus spread their risk around, so avoiding an all or nothing

Sirhan Sirhan, was more of the case I was thinking of, with his trigger (literally) being the assassination, whihc then spaked memory loss and sent into pre-programmed gibberish leading to his diagnosis. Derren Brown's 'The Heist' went someway towards proving that a receptive mindset, even amongst erstwhile 'normal' people meant that they could still be programmed into conducting a hold up/ robbery where opportunity and conditioning prompted by certain behavioural triggers coincided. Three of the four duly went through with the attack.

The other one, (and I can teach you how to do this on yourself at home) was when he went to the States and converted a load of atheists into becoming christians, by performing this thing where they stand still and allow the Lord to enter them, which involves them losing sensation and falling backwards only to be caught by two willing assistants. Suffice to say, the church of the wacko weirdo who was in audience stormed out half way through when he realised that what Brown was doing was exactly the same trick as the one he uses!!! Suffice to say having converted his congregation he then de-programmed them (or so he assured us!!!) Instead of fleecing them of money by saying the Lord will prove his existance by buying me a Rolls Royce etc once you've gained their trust, and they believe that what they've experienced is something other than a crude and very basic application of biophysics.

As i said with an explanation as to how its done, why it works, and what you need to do, you can perform the act stunt on anyone (including yourself) in a low grade eejit like me could pull it off over the internet on 80% of you, without even having to even resort to the creation of a conducive environment.
 
Originally posted by Warbler@Jan 1 2008, 10:15 AM
I can only assume he's used more than just one person and set up one of those cascading trees of probability giving a different tip to each person? Provided he keeps the selections to small fields he should find a case where at least one person has been given the correct sequence and has therefore built up the required level of trust or even dependency needed to make the victim manipulatable.
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That's what I immediately thought of. If he can find 3 small fields where only 3 runners in each race have any real chance then he could film 27 first race scenes, 9 second race scenes and 3 third race scenes. After the third race he's been filmed with 1 person whose been given all 3 winners.
 
Funnily enough Warbler, that 'Heist' thing he did brought it home to me how relatively simple mind-control is and how the guys behind MK Ultra must have been getting up to some really funky stuff.
 
I have ssen him live twice, have the series' on dvd and someone bought me the "mind control" book for xmas last year. I think the guy is a genius at what he does, albeit it some of it is not quite as straight forward as it seems ( one of the best being him teaching a woman to play piano to concert level in less than four weeks from complete novice. Turns out she was a concert pianist who he had hypnotised into thinking she couldn't play at all and had subsequently brought her abilities back a piece at a time ). I'll wager the possible scenario you have given about multiple victims is wrong. My guess would be something along the lines of him actually giving her a result from a prior day's racing, and somehow convincing her it's happening live. Should be good either way.

edited to say, the book is a great read. Written in the style of someone just chatting to you, and tells you how to do some great slights, and how to remember very easily any list of things.
 
Looks like it’s finally scheduled for Friday 1st February at 9:00pm on Channel 4 for those wishing to watch.

As always regarding Brown, my guess is even the apparent truth may be taken with a grain of salt. Still, I’ll be interested on the outcome and how it’s done for want of a better word. :)
 
Why do I get the feeling that we're not going to get the answer to the question we're all asking after the first 10 minutes :laughing:
 
Well at this rate there isn't going to be a bookie in business within 6 months, and he's not necessarily picking out favourites in small fields either. 18/1 Naunton Brook at Carlisle
 
Originally posted by Dave G@Jan 4 2008, 12:30 PM
I have ssen him live twice, have the series' on dvd and someone bought me the "mind control" book for xmas last year. I think the guy is a genius at what he does, albeit it some of it is not quite as straight forward as it seems ( one of the best being him teaching a woman to play piano to concert level in less than four weeks from complete novice. Turns out she was a concert pianist who he had hypnotised into thinking she couldn't play at all and had subsequently brought her abilities back a piece at a time ). I'll wager the possible scenario you have given about multiple victims is wrong. My guess would be something along the lines of him actually giving her a result from a prior day's racing, and somehow convincing her it's happening live. Should be good either way.

edited to say, the book is a great read. Written in the style of someone just chatting to you, and tells you how to do some great slights, and how to remember very easily any list of things.
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I've seen him live a couple of times, been up on stage with him (and been thoroughly manipulated and left completely confused!) and watched all his TV shows, and I do think he's a genius. The way he manipulates people is amazing and slightly scary. However I still maintain there is no way he can 100% predict the result of a horse race - you can't predict accidents and off days - and you can't manipulate a competitive horse and jockey.
 
I'm watching too - and so far I've learned nothing about how he's doing it - or even IF he's doing it
the sequence with the pros and the photos etc was impressive but I've no idea what was going on
 
I reckon he's hypnotised the jockeys. The barstool how else did he bring Nevada Royale down at the last and ensure it hampered the second.
 
I was there that day. I watched the replay on quite a big screen and Nevada Royale DID look hypnotised as he came into that fence........ :eek: :eek: :eek:
 
Originally posted by Warbler@Jan 1 2008, 09:15 AM
I can only assume he's used more than just one person and set up one of those cascading trees of probability giving a different tip to each person? Provided he keeps the selections to small fields he should find a case where at least one person has been given the correct sequence and has therefore built up the required level of trust or even dependency needed to make the victim manipulatable. (I often wonder if some of these so called tipping services don't do something similar in giving out different tips to different people for the same race) and thus spread their risk around, so avoiding an all or nothing
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La Bingo!
 
I'm starting to think now it's exactly what we said originally. Small fields with all options covered and about 1000 people involved
 
Originally posted by Warbler@Feb 1 2008, 09:40 PM
I'm starting to think now it's exactly what we said originally. Small fields with all options covered and about 1000 people involved
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What exactly would that prove?
 
Originally posted by Warbler@Jan 1 2008, 09:15 AM
I can only assume he's used more than just one person and set up one of those cascading trees of probability giving a different tip to each person? Provided he keeps the selections to small fields he should find a case where at least one person has been given the correct sequence and has therefore built up the required level of trust or even dependency needed to make the victim manipulatable. (I often wonder if some of these so called tipping services don't do something similar in giving out different tips to different people for the same race) and thus spread their risk around, so avoiding an all or nothing
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Bingo! Now he's saying that!

By the way was it on here someone told the story this week of a lad who used to give out winning tips to owners in a yard - all different so hed be sure to get his handout LOL
 
He probably actually started with 38,000 to guarantee the winner of this last one as well, and interviewed all 5 of them the same.
 
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