The System

Well, Warbler got it spot on.

Shame really - I do usually like his programmes but this was always going to be impossible and therefore had to have a predictable explanation.
 
Originally posted by Gearoid+Feb 1 2008, 09:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Gearoid @ Feb 1 2008, 09:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Warbler@Feb 1 2008, 09:40 PM
I'm starting to think now it's exactly what we said originally. Small fields with all options covered and about 1000 people involved
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What exactly would that prove? [/b][/quote]
Brown isn't about winning money but rather mind control, manipulation etc What he's proving is how he can manipulate the human into a condition of dependency
 
Originally posted by Ricko@Feb 1 2008, 09:51 PM
He probably actually started with 38,000 to guarantee the winner of this last one as well, and interviewed all 5 of them the same.
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The last race is random though, and Moon Over Miami doesn't win
 
Originally posted by Warbler+Feb 1 2008, 08:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Warbler @ Feb 1 2008, 08:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Ricko@Feb 1 2008, 09:51 PM
He probably actually started with 38,000 to guarantee the winner of this last one as well, and interviewed all 5 of them the same.
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The last race is random though, and Moon Over Miami doesn't win [/b][/quote]
Haha, ideed. So he just backed all 5 and used some simple sleight of hand instead.
 
The ticket she had was a written docket, he was filmed "placing the bet" at a Tote pool booth, it was likely a pre-organised set-up of the final race with Totesport as she then collected from the Totesport rails bookie - back them all and a sleight of hand as has been suggested.
 
I'm struggling to think of an hour in my life that I spent less productively than 9-10pm this evening.

UTTER TRIPE (NAP)
 
Hugely disappointing. How the hell did this get commissioned? He's seen at a Totepool booth, the slip is actually from a two part tote slip and he collects from a rails pitch. Shocking continuity and a tale with no moral or redeeming feature.
 
Originally posted by Ricko@Feb 1 2008, 09:59 PM
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Haha, indeed. So he just backed all 5 and used some simple sleight of hand instead. [/quote]


Yup, and that's why the continuity problems... and they picked a very small-runner race so they wouldn't have to fork out too many 4000s

I reckon the advertising for this programme should be done under the trade descriptions act!!
total waste of time..... but then I was doing other things while watching it so who cares
 
The highlight was the blonde girl who was counting her money until Nevada Royale came down. I suspect she could easily have been taken in again. It was relatively harmless, but with hindsight pretty obvious how he had to be doing it I suppose.

The amusing bit was the sanctamonious crap about trying to pick out desperate people in poverty etc This they tried to portray as people who couldn't afford to lose etc and would they be prepared to gamble everything in their live. What I suspect he meant was peopel who couldn't afford to stake

The little bit at the end about refunding all losing bets is probably closer to the truth. What might the cost have been had he stumbled into a group of frivilous millionaires or people of means etc. It's all very well paying back losing bets of £2 her first one, or £20 her third. I'd like to have seen the producers face when Brown explained that people had been putting a series of 5 or 6 figures bets that need refunding :laughing: I also note that he said that they had profiled the participants to ensure that none were familiar with, or had a history of gambling.

Heaven knows how many camcorders they must brought :eek:
 
Hang on, I was there that day that Nevada Royale won, I had a lump on, I was counting my money, I'm blonde.......huh?!?! :laughing:

I wasn't especially interested in watching this but after listening to our head lad banging on all week about how we had to watch it and reading a few bits in the paper I was intrigued about it and so would have quite liked to have seen it rather than deep freezing my arse at Kempton tonight. I did ask a useless mate to record it for me and the response I got, post-programme, was "it was sh*t anyway". So I won't be breaking my backside to try and watch it now anyway!
 
awful program. Absolutely nothing to do with a system and only a con to get racing fans watching.
 
It got a bit of a slagging on the Morning Line, but then again they seemed to miss the point. The programme was never ever meant to be anything about devising a fool proof gambling system, or horse racing etc it was always likely to be about mind control and the manipulation of the human being.

Doubtless lots of greedy individuals tuned in just to see if Brown had indeed found an insight (I know I did) but you suspected all along that science dictated that there were too many inponderables, and he couldn't have done. He kept talking about "the system", frankly the name was immaterial, he might as well have called it Zebade.

So long as he was able to propogate an awe and mystique around this inanimate 'thing', people would be prepared to believe it. If it worked for them they'd follow it etc, as it had the ability to deliver them salvation from poverty etc or any one of a number of potential life altering scenarios beyond the comprehension of a normal person. They didn't need to undertsand it, so long as they believed that this 'thing' was working, they'd obey it uncritically, and whatever it said, they would do. That was the poitn of the programme, but suck people in he needed to appeal to our baser instincts, in this case greed through the accumulation of money.

I suppose the message was something to do with the extent to which we're prepared to show blind faith and belief in something to the point we'll follow its guide, hence his cryptic analogy with homeopathic medicene. He might easily have used religon, and one suspects he might very well have been angling thus, but wasn't allowed to state it so openly.
 
I remember one episode where DB went around America convincing spiritulist societies he was a medium. He was very convincing but I now wonder how many societies he visited that you didn't get to see.
 
I'm guessing all he actually did was reveal the "idea" behind it, and how it could have worked. Then in actual fact just used a few actors to play his "final 6". Unless we are to believe that at least 3 of the final 6 (and initial 7,000 odd) actually read the email; actually followed the system; actually happened to have a video camera handy at home; actually bothered filmed themselves following the system; actually turned up at the track on the final day...

...doesn't really compute when you think about it.
 
Most of his shows are introduced with some patter at the front by way of disclaimer, part of which says "At no point are actors or stooges used" - last nights show didn't do this I seem to think? I must admit I was curious to know just how many people would open an unsolicited email at work, yet alone follow the tips. He texted everyone too. That means getting hold of 7,000 seperate mobile numbers and accompanying email addresses. He must have one hell of a research budget, especially as he's supposed to have profiled the group to ensure that there was no one in it with a history of gambling, and presumebly for an element of disposable income too, as the last thing he needed was anyone placing large bets in the early rounds, that Ch4 would have to refund
 
The opinion of the useless mate was franked several times over at Sandown today where the consensus varied from "utter shite" to "a massive con".
 
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