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The Will Win Thread

A mate of mine at work young lad just getting into horse racing has just had his entire balance of his betting account (£2.08) on your tip Gearoid after ive just introduced him to TH he's over the moon and now thinks youre a genius. Ive gotta spend the next few weeks trying to convince him you're a gobshite who knows absolutley nothing!

Fair play to ya though.
 
A mate of mine at work young lad just getting into horse racing has just had his entire balance of his betting account (£2.08) on your tip Gearoid after ive just introduced him to TH he's over the moon and now thinks youre a genius. Ive gotta spend the next few weeks trying to convince him you're a gobshite who knows absolutley nothing!

Fair play to ya though.
Talent gets what it can, genius gets what it wants.
 
I've put this one up on Substack under the Point Blank banner:


If you're not interested in Substack:

The market for the last race at Bellewstown appears to have been shaped by one good judge putting up Light Up The Dark.

At 9am it looked like this:
9/4 Light Up The Dark
15/8 Zanahiyr

Now it sits:
7/4 Light Up The Dark
3/1 Zanahiyr

Like Hugh Taylor, he’s an exceptional judge, but the market basically lets him dictate prices — and he won’t get every race right all the time. It’s easy to see why a horse like Zanahiyr is a favourite you’d look to take on. He’s a quirky sort who isn’t always in the mood. But at his best he ran 3rd in a Champion Hurdle behind Constitution Hill and State Man. If you want a laugh, that run was 2.25l ahead of Vauban — what price would Vauban be here off a mark of 76?!

Racing doesn’t work like that, but it does make you ask: what mark is Zanahiyr capable of running to on the flat? He’s only had five flat runs, four of them five years ago, and one of those was a 7f maiden. On his latest flat start at Killarney, he finished 4th to three very solid horses — form I’d rate strongly. They’ll have learnt plenty.

He needs a strong pace or perhaps — whisper this softly — to make the running. With the excellent Josh Williamson on board (yes, I’ve forgiven him for Tramore) claiming 7lb, he effectively runs here off 68, which is absolutely bonkers to my mind.

Two runs at Galway mean there are no fitness worries, and this is probably a nice tune-up for Listowel — but one where there’s no point not trying to win.

The market is giving us a massive discount to put all of this into practice, and this is the time to play.

7.55 Bellewstown — Zanahiyr 5/2 or better
Fuckin essay
 
Well done again Slim. I don't generally go along with the logic of a 7lb claim meaning a horse is 'effectively running off 69' but. as you say, QR races are strange beasts and the riding ability/claim is usually more of a factor there. Thanks for the full preview.
 
Well done again Slim. I don't generally go along with the logic of a 7lb claim meaning a horse is 'effectively running off 69' but. as you say, QR races are strange beasts and the riding ability/claim is usually more of a factor there. Thanks for the full preview.

The jockey’s claim is subjective. If a claimer has ridden a horse a few times, then the claim is already factored into the handicap mark — and you’d be wildly wrong to word it the way I did.

Yesterday, as you said, he was one of the better riders in the race, so the claim was quite valuable. But it was more how ridiculously well in Zanahiyr was than jockey advantage.

Three good judges texted me after the race. Two thought he gave it a good ride, and one thought he won despite the ride. Like I said, jockeyship — like a lot of things in racing — can’t really be quantified, and it’s why punters can still win using a bit of nuance, a formbook, and a pair of eyes.
 
Only comment I'd make is that it seems to me that many punters endlessly debate the relative merits of professional jockeys while lumping amateur riders together.

I'd say the average per ride difference between the best professionals and the journeymen (I exclude claimers here) is about 2lb.

Between amateur riders the differential per ride can sometimes be more like two STONE.

There was once a UK v Ireland Point Riders event at Kingston Blount.

Derek O'Connor and Maxine O'Sullivan came over for it and their mounts both improved out of all recognition from how they'd performed for their previous riders.

Not directly relevant to this, perhaps, but IMO jockey upgrades or downgrades in amateur riders' races can be a lot more significant than in many professional races.
 
Only comment I'd make is that it seems to me that many punters endlessly debate the relative merits of professional jockeys while lumping amateur riders together.

I'd say the average per ride difference between the best professionals and the journeymen (I exclude claimers here) is about 2lb.

Between amateur riders the differential per ride can sometimes be more like two STONE.

There was once a UK v Ireland Point Riders event at Kingston Blount.

Derek O'Connor and Maxine O'Sullivan came over for it and their mounts both improved out of all recognition from how they'd performed for their previous riders.

Not directly relevant to this, perhaps, but IMO jockey upgrades or downgrades in amateur riders' races can be a lot more significant than in many professional races.
A friend of mine follows the Oliver Greenall/Josh Guerriero stable and was upset that he had missed a 33/1 winner the other day his reasoning for not backing it was that it was ridden by a female claimer.
The female claimer was Alice Stevens who in my opinion is better than any of the regular stable jockeys!!!
 
Only comment I'd make is that it seems to me that many punters endlessly debate the relative merits of professional jockeys while lumping amateur riders together.

I'd say the average per ride difference between the best professionals and the journeymen (I exclude claimers here) is about 2lb.

Between amateur riders the differential per ride can sometimes be more like two STONE.

There was once a UK v Ireland Point Riders event at Kingston Blount.

Derek O'Connor and Maxine O'Sullivan came over for it and their mounts both improved out of all recognition from how they'd performed for their previous riders.

Not directly relevant to this, perhaps, but IMO jockey upgrades or downgrades in amateur riders' races can be a lot more significant than in many professional races.
There's always an angle in an Amateurs-only race. I never look at the horse, I just look at how many rides the jockey has had in the past 14 days. You'd be surprised how many horses win at 7/1, with a jockey on who has ridden five times in the past fortnight, compared to once.
 
A friend of mine follows the Oliver Greenall/Josh Guerriero stable and was upset that he had missed a 33/1 winner the other day his reasoning for not backing it was that it was ridden by a female claimer.
The female claimer was Alice Stevens who in my opinion is better than any of the regular stable jockeys!!!
I've seen Alice Stevens ride for years in Points.

Cracking tactically, presents a horse at an obstacle well.

Ryan Potter booked her for a 28/1 to 11/4 gamble at Catterick a few years ago and she got the horse home by a neck, she's also won that decent Ladies race on the Flat at York on a 33/1 shot for Ian Williams.

They're not all the same.
 
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I've seen Alice Stevens ride for years in Points.

Cracking tactically, presents a horse at an obstacle well.

Ryan Potter booked her for a 28/1 to 11/4 gamble at Catterick a few years ago and she got the horse home by a neck, she's also won that decent Ladies race on the Flat at York on a 33/1 shot for Ian Williams.

They're not all the same.

Ryan Potter = Ronan McNally
 
I vaguely remember it and putting up losers was forbidden i think but you was first and Reet was second can't be picking on treff now.
 

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