Tingle Creek Chase Sandown Park Sat Dec 4th 2021

I reckon anyone who thinks Shishkin is in the same class as previous Henderson winners are about to get their fingers burned.

This I say in the hope Chacun Pour Soi turns up up.

He looked all over the winner in the QMCC when he drifted left and some blamed the hill but I reckon there was more to it than that.

He met the 2nd again at Punchestown and beat him as far as the eye could see and at the same time kicked the Ryanair winner into touch.

WPM thinks the world of this horse and I agree with him and have him head and shoulders ahead of Henderson's young pretender
 
I dont think it's a case of him being scared of defeat James.

He did allow Altior to take on Un Des Sceaux and according to the handicapper Shishkin is rated only 3lbs lower

Usually Nicky is up for a challenge and makes his decisions based on what the horse is showing him at home.

If he's not 100% he'll switch him to the Desert Orchid I suspect
 
Tanlic said:
Usually Nicky is up for a challenge and makes his decisions based on what the horse is showing him at home.

If he's not 100% he'll switch him to the Desert Orchid I suspect
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Henderson has reported Shishkin as ‘ready to roll’. If the horse doesn’t run at Sandown, it’s because his (the trainers) bottle has gone, though doubtless we’d hear some shite about a stone-bruise or patches of false-ground by the Pond Fence.
 
I think the after effects of the Altior/Cyrname clash are burned in the memories of Henderson and Nicholls so I suspect neither of them want anything similar for their big guns except on the main battleground.
 
Grasshopper said:
Henderson has reported Shishkin as ‘ready to roll’. If the horse doesn’t run at Sandown, it’s because his (the trainers) bottle has gone, though doubtless we’d hear some shite about a stone-bruise or patches of false-ground by the Pond Fence.
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I find it hard to be negative about decisions Nicky makes. Most people would be champing at the bit to run Chantry House today

But Nicky said no he'll wait for the King George which will probably be a much bigger challenge...hardly that of a trainer with no balls Pal
 
barjon said:
I think the after effects of the Altior/Cyrname clash are burned in the memories of Henderson and Nicholls so I suspect neither of them want anything similar for their big guns except on the main battleground.
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You must be kidding Nicky took advantage of a very bad era with Altior

He had won 18 or 19 races prior to Cyrname and was 9 years old and about to be10 years old.

He was never the same horse again, he was never anywhere near as good as Sprinter and if anything over rated

Cyrname became the highest rated horse in training when he beat him but never once did he run close to that

Altior as we know now was at the end of his career......doubt if Nicky lost a minutes sleep over him
 
He is adamant he runs come what may. I would be more concerned about Mullins running Chacun Pour Soi

Min never came over and always ran and won the John Durkan Memorial but then again he was better at 2m4f

We live in hope
 
Granted Tiggers but it's along season and the best are still to surface. Colin Tizzard is on fire he said with my only bet of the day Killer Kane about to run.

Those that ran in the Arkle are doing the right thing and tat's to get out early and grab what they can.......later on I doubt if they will win much
 
Tanlic said:
I dont think it's a case of him being scared of defeat James.

He did allow Altior to take on Un Des Sceaux and according to the handicapper Shishkin is rated only 3lbs lower

Usually Nicky is up for a challenge and makes his decisions based on what the horse is showing him at home.

If he's not 100% he'll switch him to the Desert Orchid I suspect
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LOL
 
Fu*cking joke. A week ago he said Shishkin was "ready to roll".

Henderson should just retire, and do so immediately. He is becoming an absolute fu*cking parody of the trainer he once was.
 
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Grasshopper said:
Fu*cking joke. A week ago he said Shishkin was "ready to roll".

Henderson should just retire, and do so immediately. He is becoming an absolute fu*cking parody of the trainer he once was.
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WTF man has dementia set in? A 26% strike rate 20/21 season. The man has sent out 4 of the last 9 Arkle winners and two of those went for and won the Tingle Creek. Sprinter Sacre missed what looked an easy opportunity because Nicky felt he was quite right and when he did come out he was PU with a heart problem.

Try and understand horses make fools of trainers every day of the week.

We demand to know what's what and the media do our bidding. They ask Nicky will Shishkin run and at the time of asking Nicky has the horse exactly where he wants him and replies well so far so good it's looking that way..
Then he works him a couple of weeks later and he works like a stuffed pig, is off his food, scopes badly, his blood count is all wrong whatever.

Have you never suddenly woke up and felt under the weather.....Damn sure you have and horses are no different so give your uncalled for slagging a miss..you've been around to long for that sort of nonsense.

As far as Shishkin goes if he really wanted to be a c**t he could have waited to see what Mullins was doing before pulling him out.

Personally I don't think Shishkin would have a cat in hell's chance in hell of beating Chacun Pour Soi 100% fit and a damn sight less chance if he is not right.

It could be that Nicky wants to keep his charge unbeaten as long as possible but as I said why pull him out if he has no clue which horses will turn up.

Off to the Dessie or Shloer I expect and back to Cheltenham unbeaten
 
Nicky also said

I’m sh*t scared Chacun Pour Soi might turn up and put us in our place. I’m sure none of the Irish will come for the Desert Orchid so that’s where we’ll go

I may have made that up


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What an advert Shishkin is for the yard if he does stay unbeaten until the QMCC

I don't recall any other UK trainer coming up with two such prolific 2 mile winners in such a short space of time as Sprinter Sacre 10 on the trot and Altior 15 and now Shishkin 8 and counting.

Retire--eoom my arse-eoom!
 
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viking said:
Nicky also said

I’m sh*t scared Chacun Pour Soi might turn up and put us in our place. I’m sure none of the Irish will come for the Desert Orchid so that’s where we’ll go

I may have made that up


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And maybe you didn't V...with 2 easier options round the corner who knows for sure?
 
Tanlic said:
WTF man has dementia set in? A 26% strike rate 20/21 season. The man has sent out 4 of the last 9 Arkle winners and two of those went for and won the Tingle Creek. Sprinter Sacre missed what looked an easy opportunity because Nicky felt he was quite right and when he did come out he was PU with a heart problem.

Try and understand horses make fools of trainers every day of the week.

We demand to know what's what and the media do our bidding. They ask Nicky will Shishkin run and at the time of asking Nicky has the horse exactly where he wants him and replies well so far so good it's looking that way..
Then he works him a couple of weeks later and he works like a stuffed pig, is off his food, scopes badly, his blood count is all wrong whatever.

Have you never suddenly woke up and felt under the weather.....Damn sure you have and horses are no different so give your uncalled for slagging a miss..you've been around to long for that sort of nonsense.

As far as Shishkin goes if he really wanted to be a c**t he could have waited to see what Mullins was doing before pulling him out.

Personally I don't think Shishkin would have a cat in hell's chance in hell of beating Chacun Pour Soi 100% fit and a damn sight less chance if he is not right.

It could be that Nicky wants to keep his charge unbeaten as long as possible but as I said why pull him out if he has no clue which horses will turn up.

Off to the Dessie or Shloer I expect and back to Cheltenham unbeaten
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If this was a one-off, I'd be inclined to let it go, but it isn't - it's part of a now well-established pattern with this trainer.

Henderson himself has said the horse is fit and well.....in which case, he should be running. The alleged "missing spark" is just another pathetic excuse not to run one of his top-class animals in a scenario where he might be beaten.

His bottle has gone, and he is depriving us from seeing some of the best racehorses in training from actually racing.....which damages the game.

I don't care who wins in a race with Chacun and Shishkin - I just want to see it take place........especially when the alternative is watching Shishkin gallop all over handicappers like Rouge Vif at 1/5 over Christmas.
 
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