Waley-Cohen suspended again

I had to double check who was riding Frisco Depot the other day.

He looks to have regressed to me?
 
trefflich said:
Too right...I'm expecting to see him coajoling the horse along with that big silver spoon of his one of these days.
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This is just inverted snobbery. Yes, SWC is privileged - but it's not his fault.

When you own a racehorse and stump up the £20k or so per year to have it in training, you get to choose the jockey. RWC has chosen his son.

Get over it.

P.S. for what it's worth, I think he's a perfectly good rider; you don't win the races he has over the National fences without knowing what you're doing.
 
BennyB said:
This is just inverted snobbery. Yes, SWC is privileged - but it's not his fault.

When you own a racehorse and stump up the £20k or so per year to have it in training, you get to choose the jockey. RWC has chosen his son.

Get over it.

P.S. for what it's worth, I think he's a perfectly good rider; you don't win the races he has over the National fences without knowing what you're doing.
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Inverted snobbery...pah!:rolleyes: I think you need to get over yourself buddy!
 
BennyB said:
This is just inverted snobbery. Yes, SWC is privileged - but it's not his fault.

When you own a racehorse and stump up the £20k or so per year to have it in training, you get to choose the jockey. RWC has chosen his son.

Get over it.

P.S. for what it's worth, I think he's a perfectly good rider; you don't win the races he has over the National fences without knowing what you're doing.
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I agree with that.

Fair enough if you want to critique his riding, my comments about silver spoons are childish.
 
Hamm said:
I agree with that.

Fair enough if you want to critique his riding, my comments about silver spoons are childish.
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Get over yourself Hamm, there have been far worse things said on this board...we have all seen them. People need to stop being so precious about Sam. He's not a jockey imo, and I'll stick by that whether you like it or not. The silver spoon jibe agrees with Benny's point that the only reason he's on these horses is because his father is the owner.
 
Bar the Bull said:
I think RWC is perfectly entitled to use his son. I am "over" that aspect of the story.

Hamm, I don't think horses jump for him. I think it can become particularly noticeable at championship pace in races.
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I agree about Long Run's jumping, but I can't make up my mind whether it is the jockey or the horse who is mostly at fault. I guess we'll never 100% be sure as SWC will ride him every outing.

IF he got his jumping sorted out, I doubt there's a horse in training this season who would beat him. I don't hold enormous hope for that though, and would rather wait and see it before backing him again.
 
As I said earlier in the thread:

SWC has zero wins this season. (Change this to one win in 20 months)

Claiming that SWC is anywhere near as good as Choc or Ruby is crazy.

He is a dentist with less than 100 races under rules in the last 5 years. How can he compete with McCoy, Johnson, Walsh etc. who have 100 per month?

Unless we are saying that jockeyship isn't a skill?
 
I don't think anyone is saying SWC is as good as Choc or Ruby. That would be ridiculous.

What I object to is people knocking him because he is 'posh'. He rides well for an amateur (far better than I or most others on here could hope to), and he has a perfect right to ride the horses he does. The criticism is sour grapes for the most part.

The owner and trainer are happy with the arrangement, and punters can factor in his abilities as a jockey into their calculations. I don't see what the problem is. Endlessly repeating "yes but he's only got the ride because his father owns the horse" is pointless. It's true, but it does nobody any harm.
 
I have never had an issue with the poshness or the fact that nepotism gets him the ride.

I do have an issue with a 170+ chaser not being given the chance to make himself a legend of the turf because he is being ridden by an inferior jockey.
 
Yeah, he's 'posh' Benny...who gives a toss? He can't present a horse at a fence when the chips are down...Long Run has his jumping flaws but they are accentuated by his jock through indecision and fear.
 
trefflich said:
Yeah, he's 'posh' Benny...who gives a toss? He can't present a horse at a fence when the chips are down...Long Run has his jumping flaws but they are accentuated by his jock through indecision and fear.
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I think this comment applies to quite a few jocks Tref!
 
Bar the Bull said:
As I said earlier in the thread:

SWC has zero wins this season. (Change this to one win in 20 months)

Claiming that SWC is anywhere near as good as Choc or Ruby is crazy.

He is a dentist with less than 100 races under rules in the last 5 years. How can he compete with McCoy, Johnson, Walsh etc. who have 100 per month?

Unless we are saying that jockeyship isn't a skill?
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Do you think I disagree with the above?

They are all pretty much facts.

However, you need to take into account his PTP rides as well, but your point would still hold true.
 
I have never had an issue with the poshness or the fact that nepotism gets him the ride.

I do have an issue with a 170+ chaser not being given the chance to make himself a legend of the turf because he is being ridden by an inferior jockey.
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Im not entirely convinced that another jockey would make him error free (im not a great fan of this horse) but this is it really isnt it? If i was his dad i would tell him to fck off and stick to pulling out teeth before they all get knocked out

Its like having a stradivarias and getting the local busker to play it. He can trot something out , but you know....

its not based on much, probably wildly unfair and nothing about silver spoon either, but i think hes smug little git too

Ugly cnt too. Looks like Barry Manilow
 
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I am doubtful that SWC has anything to do with Long Run's jumping . The horse appears to make mistakes or jump well regardless of how he is presented at a fence . In last year's betfair it was Kauto's injection of pace that did for the animal as he jumped down the back straight.

In the absence of injury or lengthy suspension we will never know I suspect.
 
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I can't remember but SWC seems a remarkable positive around the Aintree GN fences, and there is nowhere races are quicker.
 
A better jockey has not always make a horse to jump better (Best Mate was a better jumper with Culloty than he was with McCoy) but in this case RWC is a big negative for me on long
I can not imagine what this horse could do with Carberry or Townnend on him

The horse is a very good one and his record speaks for himself but could end being an underachiever if he is not ridden by a professional
 
RWC? Are they putting his Dad up? I can see the logic but I'm pretty sure he'd struggle to do the weight.
 
I'm not one for knocking jockeys and Sam seems to be highly regarded by the pro's he rides against. He's really done nothing wrong on Long Run winning a Feltham, a King George and a Gold Cup. If he were a bad horseman I could understand someone saying Barry Geharty would win everything going on Long Run but he's not and no one on the planet knows the horse better than him.

He has never put Long Run wrong at a fence but Long Run has put himself wrong more times than I care to think about.

I don't think any jockey alive could see what's coming next with Long Run he just suddenly drops the undercarriage and boom he goes straight through one.

He definitely runs for Sam it's not like the horse is downing tools on him and anytime Long Run has been in a winning position Sam has won on him.

Daddy horse or not I can see no sense in jocking him off now as any advantage a pro would have over Sam would be minor due to the fact Sam knows the horse inside out.

He has incidentally already been ridden by 2 top notch French jump jockeys who both manged to lose on him
 
Could you look me in the eye and say you don't think Walsh/Geraghty/McCoy would make a difference to this horse?

Watch Sam's recent ride on Frisco Depot... I thought he was going to fall off on the flat.
 
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