Wednesday: the Strike

Soary Stars

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What a sad state of affairs ... what seems a comedy of make-believe by the public sector unions in the UK, claiming unfair disadvantage to their pension rights, for C's sake!
Not job security, but what they'll retire on.
Picked from The Independent because it suited my case!:

Read on:
"To judge from the opinion polls, the majority of the public as a whole do not support the strike; and indeed, although 75 per cent of those Unite members who voted in the official ballot chose to back the day of action, only 31 per cent of the membership actually turned out – which means that just 23 per cent of Mr McCluskey's members voted for strike action. That level of inertia does not suggest a level of passion to match McCluskey's fiery rhetoric against what he calls "Tory class warriors".

In fact, if there is a class divide within the employment market, the underdogs are definitely not the public sector. As the most recent official figures from the Office of National Statistics show, the median gross weekly pay in the private sector was £465, compared with £539 in the public sector; when employer pension contributions are added in, then the median private sector figure is £479, way below the public sector median of £615. That growing gulf is a reflection of the fact that defined benefit pension plans are all but extinct in the private sector, but still available across the board in the public sector.

It is true that the public sector traditionally expected better pensions, as a quid pro quo for the fact that pay rates were lower than jobs of equivalent responsibility in the private sector. But now (because of Gordon Brown) the gap in basic pay is the other way around. So the fact that the state's employees get an effective bonus of about 30 per cent of their salaries in the form of employer pension contributions (paid for by all taxpayers, including those with no employer pension provision whatever) is objectionable on precisely the grounds that Mr McCluskey seeks to defend his members' privileges: inequity and unfairness.

In this newspaper yesterday, a Torquay teacher called Julia Neal said that she was backing the strike against the Government's proposals because "one of the things I really resent is for teachers to have to work until they're 68". Actually, she will not. Under the Government's highly conciliatory proposals, a 42-year-old teacher who has worked for 22 years and now earns £32,000 a year will have to work until the age of 62 to get the £15,200 a year pension that she would have received from the age of 60; if she decides to work until 67 she could increase her teacher's pension to £20,200 a year. That's not an investment banker's pay-off, but it's an unimaginably good retirement package compared with what awaits those of similar earnings and long service in the private sector, where the average pension pot provides an annuity of just £1,200 a year.

Len McCluskey draws a different contrast: he argues that his strikers are "victims of the elite policy of taking money from the taxpayer to give it to the bankers". Yet if anyone is the biggest victim of that phenomenon, it is the ordinary private-sector workers, whose annuities have been pulverised by the weakness in the stockmarket and the ultra-low interest rates used by the Bank of England to counter the effects of the credit crunch on banks' balance sheets. Because the public sector's pensions come overwhelmingly out of the pot of (future) general taxation, rather than an accrued investment fund, they, by contrast, have been immune.

In other words, tomorrow's day of action is a strike of the haves, largely at the expense of the have-nots."
 
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............and the government now has it's beady eye on other pension funds, they will be "encouraged to invest in" the improvements to the infra-structure.:ninja:
 
The UK public sector pay bill is about £180 billion a year. Roughly the same as the UK budget deficit. Any chance of a 12 month strike...
 
You would need to not understand anything about basic mathematics to think the strikers have even the smallest point..
 
Good post Soary

Something also worth adding is that no one in the private sector would hire from public sector unless there was absolutely no alternative. Absolutely no way. For years i simply threw applications from them in the bin and advised agencies not to waste my time (they understood)

but does public sector hire from private? Of course. Want a dynamic hard working flexible thinker? Thats where you go

So why are they paid more?

How many people work in the public sector ?

... about a third
 
If my post (or any other the above) needs further explanation, I think that rather proves a few points.....
 
Really?

Well i can tell you from working in finance functions of all sizes for over 30 years in a large variety of companies (15 at least ...all sectors) I cannot recall a single instance of a public sector employee being hired.


And i can also tell you that networking with any number of businesses, the very suggestion would be greeted with bafflement

Now this is just finance of course, but its probably the area with the most direct equivalents

Of course i can give a few anecdotes from those that have moved from private to public sector too....
 
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Not going to stir i up but clearly the american multinational dropped a bollock here and perhaps got cv's mixed up or something. I think its only fair on their shareholders that they should be informed and the decent thing would be for the details to be posted here so that the immediate firing can take place

I am thinking about the economy at large and its vital that quality thresholds are maintianed
 
Good post Soary

Something also worth adding is that no one in the private sector would hire from public sector unless there was absolutely no alternative. Absolutely no way. For years i simply threw applications from them in the bin and advised agencies not to waste my time (they understood)

but does public sector hire from private? Of course. Want a dynamic hard working flexible thinker? Thats where you go

So why are they paid more?

How many people work in the public sector ?

... about a third

Totally agree!!
Had to visit the Welsh Assembly building in Merthyr last week and I thought I was in a palace, the place must have cost absolute millions, the glass doors designed 3 into 2 into 1 just to get in!!
Desk had two people doing nothing and a "security guard:lol:" stood behind like Arnie
All landscaped to the hilt outside and immaculate tiles everywhere inside.

Now I know why my bins are collected once a fortnight
 
Well,speaking as somebody who spent nearly 40 years in the public service and who now enjoys a nice, fat inflation proof pension:), can I say my experience is rather different to Clive`s!

Throughout my working life there was, and still is, a massive demand from the Accountancy profession for HMRC staff. You look at virtually any major accountancy firm and you will see many ex- HMRC staff employed. In fact, I doubt whether the profession could manage without them. I suppose this will provoke an attack in Accountants from Clive and his apologists:). But never let the facts get in the way of a good, old right wing rant:)
 
Tax & Finance are exceptional in this regard: there's no equivalent training by the public sector to that of accountants etc & the public sector must, must have its tax collectors & inspectors ... yes?
 
Any other exceptions...nurses, doctors, teachers, firemen, policemen, social workers, carers, dinner ladies,civil servants,local authority workers.

Lets face it Public Service = Bad Private Service = Good...no exceptions:)
 
nurses, doctors, teachers, firemen, policemen, social workers, carers, dinner ladies,civil servants,local authority workers....

All trained at the taxpayers expense, no?
 
That's true soary but public sector does hire private sector trained accountants (good friend is one).
 
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