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Well with all due respect to ec I thought it was rubbish

For a start the 1970 was generally regarded as stronger than 66 and gave the great brazil team their hardest game. The early 80s side with Keegan was pretty decent but the 1990 side certainly excelled themselves. 96 was a genuinely good side and would almost certainly ave won that final if the penalties had gone in

To say they lack "spirit and grit" is garbage. They tried and didn't shirk tackles (bar one player)Gerard limp wristed? Silly remark

The debate should be why we have a forward who is continually over praised for his "effort" but plays as if he is wondering what those white posts are doing there and has about as much awareness of what's going on around him as a trapped miner

They gave their all but they are a mix of the very young and inexperienced and players perhaps a little past their best. Uruguay last night were no mugs at all.

Too much is made of systems and 10 year plans and so on. Sometimes it's just the fortune to have a certain group of talented players who click under a decent manager (1996) . But to make that happen you have to develop players with technique and vision and we still lack that. The Dutch do it time after time too many of our players are still needing one too many touches and lack a natural awareness of space

Maybe that's because at all levels we bang on about "spirit and grit" a little too much

<blockquote data-quote="clivex" data-source="post: 2487284" data-attributes="member: 65326">Well with all due respect to ec I thought it was rubbishFor a start the 1970 was generally regarded as stronger than 66 and gave the great brazil team their hardest game. The early 80s side with Keegan was pretty decent but the 1990 side certainly excelled themselves. 96 was a genuinely good side and would almost certainly ave won that final if the penalties had gone inTo say they lack &quot;spirit and grit&quot; is garbage. They tried and didn&#039;t shirk tackles (bar one player)Gerard limp wristed?&nbsp; Silly remarkThe debate should be why we have a forward who is continually over&nbsp; praised for his &quot;effort&quot; but plays as if he is wondering what those white posts are doing there and has about as much awareness of what&#039;s going on around him as a trapped minerThey gave their all but they are a mix of the very young and inexperienced and players perhaps a little past their best. Uruguay last night were no mugs at all. Too much is made of systems and 10 year plans and so on. Sometimes it&#039;s just the fortune to have a certain group of talented players who click under a decent manager (1996) . But to make that happen you have to develop players with technique and vision and we still lack that. The Dutch do it time after time too many of our players are still needing one too many touches and lack a natural awareness of spaceMaybe that&#039;s because at all levels we bang on about &quot;spirit and grit&quot; a little too much</blockquote>

[QUOTE="clivex, post: 2487284, member: 65326"] Well with all due respect to ec I thought it was rubbish For a start the 1970 was generally regarded as stronger than 66 and gave the great brazil team their hardest game. The early 80s side with Keegan was pretty decent but the 1990 side certainly excelled themselves. 96 was a genuinely good side and would almost certainly ave won that final if the penalties had gone in To say they lack "spirit and grit" is garbage. They tried and didn't shirk tackles (bar one player)Gerard limp wristed? Silly remark The debate should be why we have a forward who is continually over praised for his "effort" but plays as if he is wondering what those white posts are doing there and has about as much awareness of what's going on around him as a trapped miner They gave their all but they are a mix of the very young and inexperienced and players perhaps a little past their best. Uruguay last night were no mugs at all. Too much is made of systems and 10 year plans and so on. Sometimes it's just the fortune to have a certain group of talented players who click under a decent manager (1996) . But to make that happen you have to develop players with technique and vision and we still lack that. The Dutch do it time after time too many of our players are still needing one too many touches and lack a natural awareness of space Maybe that's because at all levels we bang on about "spirit and grit" a little too much [/QUOTE]

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