Wot No Systems?

If you were doing this you wouldn't be wasting your time on a forum, so clearly you're not.

SlimChance

I've been lucky. I have never been conned by anyone in the world of racing in that I've never purchased anyone else's systems or methods.

I've always verified the information that I have come across or been provided with for myself.

In this game, it's unwise to trust anyone.

From your comments, it seems that you may have been conned and maybe more than once.

I can assure you that I'm not here to con anyone. I'm not selling anything and I'm certainly not buying anything either.

All I wanted to do was to collaborate with a few people and develop some new systems based on new ideas.

Why?

Well, out of fear mostly.

I've been told by a number of people that the betting landscape changes with time and that systems which once were profitable, become unprofitable. I understand why and how this happens. However, my system never has. It just keeps churning out the profit. Yes, there have been some dodgy times because, no matter how good a system is, randomness cannot be completely eliminated. But, it has always recovered.

My fear is that, one day, it might not recover and sods law says that it will happen at a time that it least convenient for me. If, and when, that happens, I want to be able to run an alternative system. Currently, I don't have one.

I say, out of fear. Strictly speaking, it's not out of fear that I'm trying to develop a new system. You see, I don't really believe that the betting landscape changes in a fundamental way with time. In fact, my feeling is that the betting landscape barely changes at all. That said, I could be wrong. If I am and my system crashes and burns for good, I would like the option to turn to a new system. So, I'm looking to develop a system 'just in case'.

I can assure you that regardless of when a bet is placed, you can win long term.

However, I can see that you don't want to listen. Pity really. Me may have both lost out.

Anyway, it seems that me and my systems aren't particularly welcome on this forum so I will wish you well and bid you a good night and will look elsewhere.
 
You're writing style is very similar to past posters. This thread will go on for about 12 pages and then you'll get bored an move on to your next character.

Why I think this:

1. Your post structure. Very few posters use paragraphs.
2. Words. You insert unnecessary words in sentences to make yourself sound more intellectual.
3. When you post these threads you're always starting a new project with a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow without giving any details of how you make the selections.
4. Repetition - "I say, out of fear. Strictly speaking, it's not out of fear that I'm trying to develop a new system." This is a particularly good example of how you write and I've seen this type of sentence from you a million times.
5. How quickly you bang out long replies. You're absolutely gagging to build your character as quickly as possible.


I'm really not to bothered if this post is wrong because I've at least provided my workings for everyone to agree or disagree but it's quite obvious to me you're a reincarnation.
 
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Back to systems.

My brother always bets on the horse lead around by the most attractive stable lass.

I can't verify whether it is a profitable system, but he always seems to enjoy a day at the races.
 
Back to systems.

My brother always bets on the horse lead around by the most attractive stable lass.

I can't verify whether it is a profitable system, but he always seems to enjoy a day at the races.

Seems like a better system than laying a dozen 8/1 shots An.

I have a suggested a tweak to the RAV system Tonto.

I spent a number of years in Japan. As I'm sure you're aware it's a very spiritual place, and I had a wise old Japanese mentor who taught me many things. And now I too like to think of myself as an expert in Japanese culture, martial arts, meditation, sushi, rice wine, horse racing, etc.

The system you describe is relevant to much of what I learnt, and I feel I could be a really useful collaborator here. As such I've taken the trouble to speak to my old mentor Hiroshito Toyota. If you haven't heard of him he's famous in Japanese horse racing world, and his betting systems are legendary. Google him. You'll be amazed.

Anyway his sage advice was 'less is more'!

Those words didn't immediately give me the answer but they really struck a chord with me, so I got to thinking how I could help to improve your system. Every time I played with numbers and ideas I got nowhere, but I kept coming back to the words 'less is more'. They kept running around my head to the point of distraction. Then it struck me!

Less is more in the terms of this system is to limit the number of lays each day to increase the chance of beating the market and limit losses. It needs to be absolutely the best lays each day and no more than 4.

So to find only 4 the system needs another filter. So I started thinking again, but quickly found myself going round in circles unable to find an answer. Everything I tried failed and generated the same results. Filtering to 4 was proving to be difficult.

Another call to my mentor did the trick though. I told him what I thought and this is what he said. 'Drive big four wheel car and you can go where no other man can go. But if petrol run out you noever get home'.

Confusing stuff right? For me too. So I asked him to explain in English.

And he said 'Your answer for your friends system is 'less is more', and limiting to 4 right?'.

I said 'Yes I know but how does he apply a filter to the RAV System'

And wise old Mr Toyota said with no hesitation the most inspirational and revelatory thing I've ever heard him say. In an instant he turned the seriously complicated into the most obvious and simple. The man is simply a genius.

He said 'Your friend not worry. In the opinion of Toyota filter in RAV4 not need changing right now!!!'.
 
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You're writing style is very similar to past posters. This thread will go on for about 12 pages and then you'll get bored an move on to your next character.

Why I think this:

1. Your post structure. Very few posters use paragraphs.
2. Words. You insert unnecessary words in sentences to make yourself sound more intellectual.
3. When you post these threads you're always starting a new project with a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow without giving any details of how you make the selections.
4. Repetition - "I say, out of fear. Strictly speaking, it's not out of fear that I'm trying to develop a new system." This is a particularly good example of how you write and I've seen this type of sentence from you a million times.
5. How quickly you bang out long replies. You're absolutely gagging to build your character as quickly as possible.


I'm really not to bothered if this post is wrong because I've at least provided my workings for everyobe to agree of disagree but it's quite obvious to me you're a reincarnation.

Whoever you think I am, I can assure you I'm not and, actually, it should be easy to verify this by comparing IP addresses. In fact, it's possible to determine which part of the country I live in and compare it with that relating to whoever you think I am. It's very likely that we live in different parts of the country. One of your administrators should be able to confirm this by looking at the log files for this forum.

People of my age, provided that they had a reasonable education, were taught to write in paragraphs. It seems likely therefore that the person that you think I am and I are probably of similar ages.

I didn't start my post with the promise of a pot of gold. I merely stated that I wished to collaborate with people with ideas different to mine to see if we could combine our knowledge and come up with a new and profitable system. If you think this is a promise of a pot of gold, so be it.

My repetition is purely a coincidence.

I bang out replies fairly quickly because I happen to think that I know what I'm talking about when it comes to nags. I've spent enough time over the years researching them. I've done my time as they say.

You know what frightens me about you? You make unbelievable assumptions based on the flimsiest of evidence and, all too often, and not unsurprisingly, get things wrong.

You accused me of betting blind even though it was obvious from an earlier post that I was not.

You accused me of having a logically flawed system and yet I have given you few details of the system. How you arrive at this conclusion is beyond me.

I suspect that soon after I started to post, you decided that I was someone else. You then only looked for information which confirmed this and ignored information which indicated otherwise. There's a term for this. It's called confirmation bias.

When I initially posted on here, I stated that I would post some information by way of an act of good faith. Well, I'm as good as my word and here it is:

To you SlimChance: I'd stay away from the nags if I were you. Making incorrect assumptions and suffering from confirmation bias on your scale is a lethal combination. I'm not saying this to be inflammatory, I'm just trying to be helpful.

Someone on here stated that if I'd layed a horse at 6/1? and it fell to 5/4? before the off, I'd be crossing my fingers. Actually, no I wouldn't. I ALWAYS lay close to the off so this wouldn't happen. Secondly, horses whose odds crash before the off lose more often than their odds suggest. Please read this if you already haven't: https://betting.betfair.com/horse-r...and-drifters-a-myth-worth-busting-120708.html

Some people dismiss this article because they think that it was written by Jack on behalf of Betfair and is therefore wrong. Others think that because it was written in 2008, it is no longer valid. All I can say is: WRONG AND WRONG. If a horse is steaming, lay it and if it's drifting, back it. You won't go far wrong. Besides, you can do some basic research and find out for yourself if you are concerned that the information is inaccurate.

I know several owners personally and have access to several current trainers and one ex-trainer via third parties. As such, I receive a certain amount of unsolicited tips. I always make a note of them and the odds at the time of tip receipt and the odds at the off. I can honestly say that laying the tips makes a profit and backing them makes a loss. I suggest that you do similar if you receive tips that are reported to have come from a yard. Why will you lose if you bet such horses? VALUE. By the time you get the tip, the value has generally gone and, if you aren't getting value, you are going to lose long term.

That brings me nicely to my last piece of advice. Dave Nevison has his critics but there's one thing that I believe he has right and that's VALUE. He is of the opinion that if you can't get value, even though you think the horse will win, don't back it. If you don't get value, long term, you will lose. So, whatever else you do, make sure that you have a method which provides you with a reasonable estimate of the horse's actual chances of winning so that you are able to determine whether there is value in a bet or not.

Anyways, SlimChance, I wish that I could say that it's been good to talk but it hasn't. It's been like trench warfare chatting with you. I don't have the time, energy or inclination to fight battles with you.

I can assure you that I'm not who you think I am.

I am an honest and genuine guy.

I came to this forum in good faith and was willing to work with people in order to develop something new.

I honestly wish that I hadn't bothered.

Sad.

I won't be back.
 
Seems like a better system than laying a dozen 8/1 shots An.

I have a suggested a tweak to the RAV system Tonto.

I spent a number of years in Japan. As I'm sure you're aware it's a very spiritual place, and I had a wise old Japanese mentor who taught me many things. And now I too like to think of myself as an expert in Japanese culture, martial arts, meditation, sushi, rice wine, horse racing, etc.

The system you describe is relevant to much of what I learnt, and I feel I could be a really useful collaborator here. As such I've taken the trouble to speak to my old mentor Hiroshito Toyota. If you haven't heard of him he's famous in Japanese horse racing world, and his betting systems are legendary. Google him. You'll be amazed.

Anyway his sage advice was 'less is more'!

Those words didn't immediately give me the answer but they really struck a chord with me, so I got to thinking how I could help to improve your system. Every time I played with numbers and ideas I got nowhere, but I kept coming back to the words 'less is more'. They kept running around my head to the point of distraction. Then it struck me!

Less is more in the terms of this system is to limit the number of lays each day to increase the chance of beating the market and limit losses. It needs to be absolutely the best lays each day and no more than 4.

So to find only 4 the system needs another filter. So I started thinking again, but quickly found myself going round in circles unable to find an answer. Everything I tried failed and generated the same results. Filtering to 4 was proving to be difficult.

Another call to my mentor did the trick though. I told him what I thought and this is what he said. 'Drive big four wheel car and you can go where no other man can go. But if petrol run out you noever get home'.

Confusing stuff right? For me too. So I asked him to explain in English.

And he said 'Your answer for your friends system is 'less is more', and limiting to 4 right?'.

I said 'Yes I know but how does he apply a filter to the RAV System'

And wise old Mr Toyota said with no hesitation the most inspirational and revelatory thing I've ever heard him say. In an instant he turned the seriously complicated into the most obvious and simple. The man is simply a genius.

He said 'Your friend not worry. In the opinion of Toyota filter in RAV4 not need changing right now!!!'.

And I thought Yip Man was dead:lol: btw there's no S in Hirohito
 
I always back a Kevin Prendergast horse that wins BTO. I feel unworthy to be amongst you, but there you are....
 
You're writing style is very similar to past posters. This thread will go on for about 12 pages and then you'll get bored an move on to your next character.

Why I think this:

1. Your post structure. Very few posters use paragraphs.
2. Words. You insert unnecessary words in sentences to make yourself sound more intellectual.
3. When you post these threads you're always starting a new project with a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow without giving any details of how you make the selections.
4. Repetition - "I say, out of fear. Strictly speaking, it's not out of fear that I'm trying to develop a new system." This is a particularly good example of how you write and I've seen this type of sentence from you a million times.
5. How quickly you bang out long replies. You're absolutely gagging to build your character as quickly as possible.


I'm really not to bothered if this post is wrong because I've at least provided my workings for everyobe to agree of disagree but it's quite obvious to me you're a reincarnation.

You forgot number 6.........the same person always seems to have it in for you Slim.
 
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