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Euronymous

Euronymous

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I think the best news over the summer was the owner of Kylemore Lough moving his horse to Harry Fry. Not so much because I don't rate Kerry Lee as a trainer. just because the horse will have a different jockey now. Fry has stated the BV is the target and he's worth a pop at 20s. He would have won the Caspian last year with a better ride.
 
Totally agree about the Caspian race, Euro, though I'm a little concerned that all his best form has come right-handed, and he is probably handicapped to the hilt. Price compensates to a degree though, I suppose.

I've already backed Bun Doran (Tom George) to smallish stakes, though confess I'm not sure if he is an intended runner or not.
 
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The BetVictor Gold Cup[/FONT]​
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[FONT=&quot]Grade 3 handicap chase, £160,000 total prize fund . Cheltenham, Saturday, November 18. Two miles, four and a half furlongs (2m 4f 78y). For four-year-olds and upwards. Penalties: after November 5, a winner of a chase 5lb. Entries closed October 31, entries revealed November 1 (45 entries). Weights revealed November 8. Five-day confirmation stage November 13, final declarations November 16. Maximum field size 20 runners plus 2 reserves.[/FONT]
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[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]Horse
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]Age
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]Owner
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Trainer
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]A TOI PHIL (FR)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]7
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]Gigginstown House Stud
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Gordon Elliott IRE
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]AQUA DUDE (IRE)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]7
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]William & Angela Rucker
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Evan Williams
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]ART MAURESQUE (FR)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]7
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]Mrs Johnny de la Hey
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Paul Nicholls
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]ASO (FR)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]7
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]The Bellamy Partnership
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Venetia Williams
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]BALL D'ARC (FR)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]6
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]Gigginstown House Stud
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Gordon Elliott IRE
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]BALLOTIN (FR)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]6
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]David Maxwell Racing Limited
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Philip Hobbs
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]BALLYALTON (IRE)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]10
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]John Westwood
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Ian Williams
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]BALLYBOLLEY (IRE)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]8
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]Simon Munir & Isaac Souede
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Nigel Twiston-Davies
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]BALLYCASEY (IRE)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]10
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]Susannah Ricci
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Willie Mullins IRE
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]BELAMI DES PICTONS (FR)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]6
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]Hills of Ledbury (Aga)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Venetia Williams
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]BENTELIMAR (IRE)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]8
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]Swanee River Partnership
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Charlie Longsdon
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]BOUVREUIL (FR)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]6
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]J P McManus
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Paul Nicholls
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]CLAN DES OBEAUX (FR)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]5
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]Mr & Mrs P Barber, G Mason, Sir A Ferguson
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Paul Nicholls
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]CLOUDY DREAM (IRE)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]7
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]Trevor Hemmings
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Malcolm Jefferson
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]DANDRIDGE
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]8
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]Ronnie Bartlett
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Arthur Moore IRE
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]DAYS OF HEAVEN (FR)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]7
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]Mrs S K Johnston
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Nicky Henderson
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]DOUBLE TREASURE
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]6
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]Sir Chips Keswick
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Jamie Snowden
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]FOXTAIL HILL (IRE)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]8
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]Options O Syndicate
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Nigel Twiston-Davies
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]FRODON (FR)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]5
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]P J Vogt
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Paul Nicholls
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]GARDE LA VICTOIRE (FR)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]8
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]Diana Whateley
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Philip Hobbs
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]GO CONQUER (IRE)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]8
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]Paul & Clare Rooney
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Jonjo O'Neill
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]GOLD PRESENT (IRE)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]7
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]John & Barbara Cotton
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Nicky Henderson
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]GUITAR PETE (IRE)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]7
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]Mrs Pat Sloan
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Nicky Richards
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]KYLECRUE (IRE)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]10
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]John Patrick Ryan
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]John Ryan IRE
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]KYLEMORE LOUGH
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]8
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]M J McMahon & Denis Gallagher
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Harry Fry
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]LAKE TAKAPUNA (IRE)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]6
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]Dr Ronan Lambe
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Jim Culloty IRE
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]LE PREZIEN (FR)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]6
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]J P McManus
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Paul Nicholls
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]MASTER DEE (IRE)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]8
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]Paul & Clare Rooney
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Fergal O'Brien
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]MINELLA PRESENT (IRE)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]8
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]Jane Gerard-Pearse
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Neil Mulholland
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]MYSTIFIABLE
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]9
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]Graham and Alison Jelley
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Fergal O'Brien
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]PLAISIR D'AMOUR (FR)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]5
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]Calvados Racing
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Venetia Williams
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]POLITOLOGUE (FR)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]6
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]J Hales
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Paul Nicholls
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]QUITE BY CHANCE
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]8
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]T Hamlin, J M Dare, J W Snook, J T Warner
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Colin Tizzard
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]ROMAIN DE SENAM (FR)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]5
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]Chris Giles & Dan Macdonald
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Paul Nicholls
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]SAMETEGAL (FR)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]8
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]John & Barbara Cotton
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Paul Nicholls
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]SAN BENEDETO (FR)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]6
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]P J Vogt
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Paul Nicholls
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]SPLASH OF GINGE
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]9
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]J D Neild
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Nigel Twiston-Davies
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]STARCHITECT (IRE)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]6
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]Paul & Clare Rooney
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]David Pipe
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]THEINVAL (FR)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]7
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]Mr & Mrs Sandy Orr
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Nicky Henderson
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]TOP GAMBLE (IRE)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]9
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]Walters Plant Hire & James & Jean Potter
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Kerry Lee
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]TRAFFIC FLUIDE (FR)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]7
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]Galloping On The South Downs Partnership
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Gary Moore
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]TULLY EAST (IRE)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]7
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]Barry Connell
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Alan Fleming IRE
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]VICONTE DU NOYER (FR)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]8
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]Ann & Alan Potts Limited
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Colin Tizzard
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]WAITING PATIENTLY (IRE)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]6
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]Richard Collins
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Malcolm Jefferson
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 197, colspan: 1"]ZAMDY MAN
[/TD]
[TD="width: 39, colspan: 1"]8
[/TD]
[TD="width: 246, colspan: 1"]J P McManus
[/TD]
[TD="width: 142, colspan: 1"]Venetia Williams
[/TD]
[/TR]
</tbody>[/TABLE]
[FONT=&quot]45 entries[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 Irish-trained[/FONT]
 
Naturally Politologue will be my first pick, but was really taken with Cloudy Dream over the weekend so hope he's an intended runner
 
I was keen on Politilogue's prospects this year until John Hales said he was going to keep him at 2 miles? Isn't that what he said, or am I mistaken? What happend to him running in The Haldon Gold Cup? To my novicey and untrained eye, when watching him last season I thought he looked like a stayer. I though two and a half was too sharp a distance for him at the festival which was one of the few things I called right. I can't have him for the Paddy Power.
 
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Aso looks seriously over-priced at 33's for this. He was beaten only 5L by TDS off a mark of 144 last year (without benefit of a prep run), and ran with credit in both Caspian Caviar and Ryanair Chases at the track thereafter (though not so well at Trials meeting in between, it has to be said). Has a run under his belt this time; ultimately finishing well-beaten in the Old Roan, but looking like he would come on for the race/not given a hard time.

I've had a decent dash. Just need a little bit of leniency from the handicapper, and I'll be very happy.

Edit: Just seen Tanlic's post. He's either finally called something right, or he is a bogeying bas*tard....time will tell. :lol:
 
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This may sound crazy, but Splash Of Ginge has been entered for this. He also is entered at Wetherby in two days time. Historically he needs some serious cut in the ground, to put his best foot forward, but he is seven pound lower than when winning a valuable chase on New Years day at Cheltenham in 2015. The handicapper has given him a chance, and I'd like to see how he goes at Wetherby on Friday, hopefully with plenty of juice in the ground. There may be a revival in Splash Of Ginge if he gets his soft ground..
 
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Aye........Mackeson, Murphys, Thomas Pink, something else?, Bet Victor. I'm betting it will be The Slim Chance How To Make Friends & Influence People Gold Cup next year.
 
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Marble said:
I was keen on Politilogue's prospects this year until John Hales said he was going to keep him at 2 miles? Isn't that what he said, or am I mistaken? What happend to him running in The Haldon Gold Cup? To my novicey and untrained eye, when watching him last season I thought he looked like a stayer. I though two and a half was too sharp a distance for him at the festival which was one of the few things I called right. I can't have him for the Paddy Power.
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What I heard, was he may start in the Haldon Gold Cup if ready in time (was late coming in) but don't think he has an entry
 
Romain De Senam

Been taken by his two wins this season, still only 5 but already looking like a class act over fences.

Currently 12-1
 
I have done Gold Present done for this at 33s on the back of his very decent 2nd at this years festival. I spoke to Jerry McGrath over the summer also and he said they didn’t recognise him coming back in from the fields after his summer break such was his physical improvement. He highlighted this as a target and it looks like some of them there have also had a cut as he’s now best price
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Marble said:
This may sound crazy, but Splash Of Ginge has been entered for this. He also is entered at Wetherby in two days time. Historically he needs some serious cut in the ground, to put his best foot forward, but he is seven pound lower than when winning a valuable chase on New Years day at Cheltenham in 2015. The handicapper has given him a chance, and I'd like to see how he goes at Wetherby on Friday, hopefully with plenty of juice in the ground. There may be a revival in Splash Of Ginge if he gets his soft ground..
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Splash Of Ginge gets the entry on forecast soft ground at Wetherby tomorrow. I fancy him. Whether he will get in The Paddy Power I don't know, but 33/1 is too big. I'm taking a wee leap of faith that Nigel Twiston Davies will have got him back to his best, but as I said, this horse can win on soft or heavy.
 
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Aso looks seriously over-priced at 33's for this. He was beaten only 5L by TDS off a mark of 144 last year (without benefit of a prep run), and ran with credit in both Caspian Caviar and Ryanair Chases at the track thereafter (though not so well at Trials meeting in between, it has to be said). Has a run under his belt this time; ultimately finishing well-beaten in the Old Roan, but looking like he would come on for the race/not given a hard time.

I've had a decent dash. Just need a little bit of leniency from the handicapper, and I'll be very happy.

Edit: Just seen Tanlic's post. He's either finally called something right, or he is a bogeying bas*tard....time will tell. :lol:
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Notebook: Claim that Granger told you to back it if it loses
 
Kauto Abu said:
I have done Gold Present done for this at 33s on the back of his very decent 2nd at this years festival. I spoke to Jerry McGrath over the summer also and he said they didn’t recognise him coming back in from the fields after his summer break such was his physical improvement. He highlighted this as a target and it looks like some of them there have also had a cut as he’s now best price
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Geezus it's a wonderful world:lol:I am told they are struggling to have him ready in time and not to touch him with a barge pole.
 
Hadn’t realised Kylemore Lough rated only 154 at present. Euro has himself a decent bet - I thought he was up around 160.
 
Tully East seems the only definite one.


Greatwood entries are out as well. Strange price diff from the Fred Winter between Divin Bere and Flying Tiger considering the Williams horse might be a couple of pounds better off based on current OR's.
 


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