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The 2022 Grand National

Ben Nevis was the best chaser in America at the time, a dual winner of the Maryland Hunt Cup.

On his first attempt at the National he was sent off a well-fancied 14/1 shot off a mark 3lbs higher than the Gold Cup winner Alverton. After that he was run down the park to get his rating down.
 
Slim said:
I think if you are betting a potential non stayer then the bet should be win only.
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Maybe at 10/1 or so but plenty of classy non-stayers mange to place. Burrows Saint being the the most recent.

At 40/1 the place portion is prudent.
 
Just checking through my ante-post log.

These are my GN bets to date:

20 Nov - Chatham Street Lad 40/1
21 Nov - Farclas 35/1
23 Dec - Secret Reprieve 25/1
11 Feb - De Rasher Counter 66/1 & 100/1
14 Feb - Cloth Cap 40/1

That's the tricast sorted...
 
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Time To Get Up is out of the Grand National as he has not qualified to run in this year's Randox Grand National as horses must have run in at least six chases by Sunday and the last outing was his fifth over fences.
 
Escaria Ten seems a decent enough go at this stage at 25s. His overall profile screams National and you cannot knock that NHC form - advertised again by the mare at Exeter.
 
Run Wild Fred will go according to Elliot. I took a double 11/1 NHC and 40/1 Aintree. Ass will be going if he wins the NHC.
 
Desert Orchid said:
Grand National - Cloth Cap 40/1, 5pl - He'll get in around the 10-5 mark, an ideal weight, and will almost certainly be top-rated across all ratings firms on the pick of last season's form.
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10-04 and 8lbs clear on RPRs of the next most likely to make the cut, Blaklion (off 145).

Guarantees nothing, of course, and I know plenty on here have no time for RPRs but 8lbs is quite a margin for error.
 
Taken from the Hennessy (Ladbrokes Trophy) Thread earlier in the season:

Desert Orchid said:
First serious bet in the race: Fiddlerontheroof 8/1

I noted the large Tizzard team earlier and wondered how he would play it. He's down to three and well though the likes of Mister Malarkey and Copperhead might be able to run in their own right, I don't see them winning this. They hold entries for the Welsh National. He took out LIT to win at Ascot so he must reckon FOTR, who holds a King George entry, has a serious chance in this. If the price holds through the week I can always go in again but I can see it gradually contracting.
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I've decided to add Fiddlerontheroof to my 'portfolio' of ante-post bets. On the back of its big run in the Hennessy I backed it at 66/1 for the Gold Cup because I went high with the form. The handicapper raised it 9lbs at the time but has given him back 4lbs, presumably because Cloudy Glen has bombed in his two subsequent appearances.

Today in the RP article on the National, Joe T says:

“This has been the plan since the Ladbrokes Trophy where he had a hard enough race. It was going to be too soon to go for a King George, then we talked about it and we thought he could have a live chance in a Grand National. I’m sure off 155 he would be competitive. We waited until the weights came out before we decided to run him again and he’ll go to Ascot on Saturday for the three-mile handicap chase. He has only had two runs this season and we have saved the petrol for the spring.”

So, he's been trained for the race and kept back since Newbury (hard race, which might explain CG's subsequent runs) and going for a spring campaign. He still holds a Gold Cup entry so is clearly thought better than a handicapper (which I thought pre-Newbury) and had thought he'd have a live chance off 159 and he gets in off 4lbs less. I imagine they'll be very pleased.

Betfred are going 16/1 NRNB but, based on the above quote, I've decided to risk the 25/1 without the concession.
 
Tiger Roll likely retired after Cheltenham and will NOT run at Aintree according to O’Leary who has gone in on the handicapper :lol:
 
Double J said:
Tiger Roll likely retired after Cheltenham and will NOT run at Aintree according to O’Leary who has gone in on the handicapper :lol:
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... despite Elliott sounding bullish!

I'd honestly never tire of slapping O'Leary, but he'd probably charge me £5 a slap
 
Desert Orchid said:
Taken from the Hennessy (Ladbrokes Trophy) Thread earlier in the season:



I've decided to add Fiddlerontheroof to my 'portfolio' of ante-post bets. On the back of its big run in the Hennessy I backed it at 66/1 for the Gold Cup because I went high with the form. The handicapper raised it 9lbs at the time but has given him back 4lbs, presumably because Cloudy Glen has bombed in his two subsequent appearances.

Today in the RP article on the National, Joe T says:

“This has been the plan since the Ladbrokes Trophy where he had a hard enough race. It was going to be too soon to go for a King George, then we talked about it and we thought he could have a live chance in a Grand National. I’m sure off 155 he would be competitive. We waited until the weights came out before we decided to run him again and he’ll go to Ascot on Saturday for the three-mile handicap chase. He has only had two runs this season and we have saved the petrol for the spring.”

So, he's been trained for the race and kept back since Newbury (hard race, which might explain CG's subsequent runs) and going for a spring campaign. He still holds a Gold Cup entry so is clearly thought better than a handicapper (which I thought pre-Newbury) and had thought he'd have a live chance off 159 and he gets in off 4lbs less. I imagine they'll be very pleased.

Betfred are going 16/1 NRNB but, based on the above quote, I've decided to risk the 25/1 without the concession.
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You'd be better off just backing him for the Swirly Chase at the weekend. 6s out there.
 
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Desert Orchid said:
I reckon if Aintree is the plan they'll be happy with a promising reappearance. That will be enough to see his price contract.
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He could go off short on Saturday. I'd rather be folding it Saturday evening. He really has been very well campaigned.
 
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Question posed on Twitter and I think its a fair one. I agree with O’Learys rant tbh.

What rating would the Tiger have had he been trained somewhere else and owned by someone else?
 


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