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Backing Venetia Williams' Chasers In November with Andrew Mount

I think it was Euro who made a good point about this.

If the horse is good enough she can train it. I think that's what he said anyway.

The Famous Five is just a hound, time to forget him.

As for people who just back all her horses, I've never done that anyway, regardless of what month it is. Pleased about that.
 
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When they start to go NRNB on the Cheltenham Festival this horses price is going to get carved up like the Christmas turkey.

There's only two races he'll realistically go for, The County or the Martin Pipe.

Given the distance of todays race you'd have to think the latter was more probable now.
This.

I would love an 'experts' opinion on this forum, but won't hold my breathe.
 
I spoke to my friend today who used to work there and still has connections. She said they have looked at everything - bloods all good and horses are looking and training well. No obvious cause but they are completely flummoxed as to why. I did suggest she mentioned checking the water issue I had as mine were the same and we had zero idea what was causing it.
She was really emotional after L’Homme Presse ran a good race on Saturday. Obviously very concerned.
 
She was really emotional after L’Homme Presse ran a good race on Saturday. Obviously very concerned.
Yes she was. I imagine she's going through hell atm and I really feel for her. When you have checked everything and you still are nowhere nearer finding an answer, it's soul destroying.

The conversation I had with Jim Old who also experienced the same was similar. He said literally nobody believed him and it caused him to end his training career. It realistically did the same for me (I had this for FOUR years!) - the hardest thing for me to accept was that my landlord withheld this knowledge deliberately.
 
The Passing Wife led at the final flight before going clear to score easily by nine-lengths.

Gavin Cromwell said: “Maybe we over faced him the last day going to the Grade 1 but we are back on track there. It’s nice to win a maiden with him and he’s qualified for the handicaps in Cheltenham.

“We’ll freshen him up and probably go for either the Martin Pipe or the Coral Cup as he’d want a trip.”

Thanks to Irish Racing.com for this. Very helpful.

So Slim was right, he won't win the County Hurdle!
 
Now there are those that say that, excellent trainer though the lady undoubtedly historically is, anyone actually putting money down at the moment, on anything other than Venetia Williams's absolute creme de la creme elite, wants sectioning.

I couldn't possibly comment on that - but January ends tonight and this gives the opportunity for February to prove itself the new November!
 
On the positive side, there were faint green shoots today...

Hunter Legend at least finished a race, with an improbable bonus of only one in front at the finish. Admittedly, there may not have been anything else in it. But getting within 13 lengths of a winner is a seeming step forward.

And Martator didn't look anywhere near done with.
 
The horror story continues and it’s now 63 runs over 50 days since her last win. Surely something must be amiss in the yard, they must be tearing their hair out trying to find out what that might be.
 
She's got four down to run at Bangor-on-Dee on Friday - Lagonda in another four-runner race, Georges Saint and Camulus in the North Wales National, and Lily Grace in a mares' novice handicap hurdle. She's running off 78 having been beaten more than 50 lengths in each of her three runs over hurdles and was off the track for most of three years between the second and third runs. The ground will be testing.

Martator is in the Game Spirit Chase on Saturday though that could be more to pick up prize money if there is a small field.

Charlie Longsdon has been winnerless for even longer than Venetia Williams - 66 days and 50 runs.
 
I`m off to Bangor tomorrow (a favourite course of mine) and as Jayhawk says, Venetia has 4 runners. Should I risk all and have a go on them or go against my instincts and ignore them? Anybody any views on the card?
 
She's got four down to run at Bangor-on-Dee on Friday - Lagonda in another four-runner race, Georges Saint and Camulus in the North Wales National, and Lily Grace in a mares' novice handicap hurdle. She's running off 78 having been beaten more than 50 lengths in each of her three runs over hurdles and was off the track for most of three years between the second and third runs. The ground will be testing.

Martator is in the Game Spirit Chase on Saturday though that could be more to pick up prize money if there is a small field.

Charlie Longsdon has been winnerless for even longer than Venetia Williams - 66 days and 50 runs.
Longsden finally quenched his ravenous thirst today.
 
Longsden finally quenched his ravenous thirst today.
Thanks to two fallers in a four-runner race. And so did Richard Rowe.

Donn McClean identified a likely (!) Cheltenham winner a couple of months ago. Zertakt is currently rated 122 which probably isn't high enough to get into the National Hunt Chase or the Fulke Walwyn/Kim Muir. He's not entered in the Eider Chase, but winning a chase after the handicap weights are out and picking up a penalty may be sufficient to get in at Cheltenham.


Three miles and one and a half furlongs on good to soft ground is probably as sharp a test as Zertakt would like. He should be seen to better effect back up in trip or on softer ground, or both. The handicapper raised him by 4lb, but that was fair, and it leaves him on a mark of 120, still 3lb lower than his hurdles mark. This race has been won by Ultima and Grand National winner Corach Rambler and by National Hunt Chase and Irish Grand National winner Haiti Couleurs in the recent past, and Venetia Williams did mention the National Hunt Chase as a possible target now for Zertakt. That makes sense, he is obviously proven now at Cheltenham, and the step up in trip to three miles and six furlongs should suit him well. He is on the cusp now, last year the bottom weight in the National Hunt Chase was rated 124, so he will probably have to go up another couple of pounds if he is going to get into the National Hunt Chase. In the meantime, he would be of big interest if he was aimed at the Eider Chase at Newcastle. The extreme trip of that contest could suit him well, and he proved that he could operate at Newcastle when he finished second there last month.

Cheltenham, 13th December 2025
 
Update from Venetia in today's RP but it's behind the paywall.

'It's been tough - you can't expect continuous acceleration' - Venetia Williams opens up on troublesome season
All in a day's work: Venetia Williams in the office at Aramstone stables
Venetia Williams has had just seven winners this season

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Venetia Williams has opened up on a challenging season before her stable star L'Homme Presse bids to turn the tide in the William Hill Denman Chase at Newbury on Saturday.

The Herefordshire trainer will be represented by last month's Cotswold Chase runner-up in the feature staying chase, with the veteran one of the yard's leading lights still competing at the highest level.

Williams is renowned for her prolific strike-rate in the winter months but believes the composition of her stable has been partly to blame for a difficult campaign that has seen her saddle just seven winners and none in 2026, with the trainer's last 63 runners beaten.

"There's nothing we can put a finger on," she said. "We're having a transitional season with the horses we have. We’ve had injuries to some of our better horses that had been running well like Djelo, who picked up an injury in the King George.

"Victtorino is another we’ve relied on in recent seasons and he came back from Ascot in December with a fracture. Royale Pagaille is a good age now and he’s reserved his best performances for the Betfair Chase in the last two years, so you can’t be relying on him to do beyond what he’s already done for us.

"Those sort of horses have batted really well for us in previous seasons, while some of the younger horses have yet to step up and others have their limitations. It’s been tough, but equally it’s important to look at each horse individually. It’s very easy to draw conclusions for the yard as a whole, and that can be a mistake."


Williams has passed the £1 million prize-money barrier in each of the previous four seasons, registering 197 winners in that time, and believes those high performance levels are also having an impact on her figures.

She said: "The horses have punched above their weight in the last couple of seasons and that makes it harder for them because now they’re having to compete at a different level and you can’t expect continuous acceleration. We don’t have the biggest yard in the world and there’s a limit to the horses we’re able to call on."

There was hope the trajectory would change at Taunton on Tuesday, but once again things failed to fall into place for an exasperated Williams and her stable jockey Charlie Deutsch.

She said: "I thought it was all going to change and then Bucksy Des Epeires had a mental blank at the first, went into orbit and sent Charlie skyward, and then Falco Des Pins looked all over the winner going to the second-last and then just slightly hung fire – but one winner here or there isn’t going to change the season for us."

It has been a year since Djelo triumphed in the Denman Chase and another victory in the race would certainly help. L'Homme Presse has already done his part to improve the mood at the Williams yard with two admirable second-placed efforts this season, and he is a 15-8 chance to get the better of three younger rivals.

Spillane's Tower (centre) leads home L'Homme Presse (right) and Grey Dawning (left) in Cotswold Chase
L'Homme Presse (right): gallant in defeat when giving 6lb to Spillane's Tower in the Cotswold Chase
Credit: Edward Whitaker (racingpost.com/photos)
Williams said. "He’s run well in both of his starts at Cheltenham. Just under three miles around Newbury will be a slightly different test for him, but I hope he’ll run well.

"Haiti Couleurs has to give us a few pounds, and most of his [L'Homme Presse's] races in recent times have had more emphasis on stamina than this, but hopefully the ground will help with that.

"It wasn’t necessarily the plan to come here, but it was in the back of my mind as a possibility. He’s an 11-year-old who has not had a lot of racing, and with the rating he’s got there aren’t that many opportunities. While the ground is in his favour you have to look at all options."

L'Homme Presse finished fourth in the 2024 Gold Cup despite sustaining an injury in the closing stages, and will likely return to Cheltenham next month as a best-priced 66-1 chance.

Williams added: "We’ll always take it one step at a time and going to Cheltenham would certainly be in my mind, but that would be a whole different ball game."


William Hill Denman Chase (2.10 Newbury, Saturday)

William Hill: 8-13 Haiti Couleurs, 15-8 L'Homme Presse, 10 Leave Of Absence, 50 Riskintheground
 
Even a loose horse looking as if it might carry out the favourite in the 3:00 race at Hereford couldn't bring Venetia Williams a winner today. The long wait continues with Mombasa - very lightly raced and beaten over 80 lengths last time - flying the flag in the 3:50 at Leicester tomorrow.
 
I'm beginning to get a strange feeling in my waters that an unexpected and wholly unfamiliar event might take place later this afternoon.

Edit: my own selection in the 3:50 is One Last Glance, but I've put a little saver on Mombasa.
 
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I'm beginning to get a strange feeling in my waters that an unexpected and wholly unfamiliar event might take place later this afternoon.

Edit: my own selection in the 3:50 is One Last Glance, but I've put a little saver on Mombasa.
1-3. No Tackle got in the way of the forecast.
VW's drought continues.
And that feeling in my waters is my chronic UTI.
Keep drinking the cranberry juice.
 
There is sure going to be some boot-filling when she eventually works out what's wrong - Mombasa probably does have something, just as several of the others likely do.

Running out of time for this season, though.
 
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