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The 2025 Derby

Well done Lambourn backers. Best horse in the race on the day with the best tactical ride. (y) :cheers:

For those who aren't into striding patterns, Kevin Blake gave the 1-2-3 based on them, including the 50/1 second.

I'll get some money back for the second but will end up down on the race, which I reckon will prove to be substandard. Probably not as bad as Oath (the worst winner in my time doing ratings) but nothing to write home about.
 
Desert Orchid said:
which I reckon will prove to be substandard. Probably not as bad as Oath (the worst winner in my time doing ratings) but nothing to write home about.
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A lot of the media said before the race The Derby was a quality race this year, but you never know if it was good or bad until after the event, often a long time after the event.

The way the race panned out and the failure of various runners to meet market expectations would tend to suggest it wasn't a quality renewal, but history teaches me to keep an open mind.

Absolutely cracking ride on the winner, that's for sure.
 
Ian_Davies said:
A lot of the media said before the race The Derby was a quality race this year, but you never know if it was good or bad until after the event, often a long time after the event.

The way the race panned out and the failure of various runners to meet market expectations would tend to suggest it wasn't a quality renewal, but history teaches me to keep an open mind.

Absolutely cracking ride on the winner, that's for sure.
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The media always big the race up; it's their job, as you know.

They bigged up Oath's race afterwards but it was awful.

I always keep an open mind about how good it is even after I've allocated figures that might look dodgy. I'm trying to coin a collective noun for non-stayers - a gasp? a short? - but I think that's what we had.

Looking at KB's tricast and the ticks on my list above, the first 'ideal' candidate purely on the ratings is Lazy Griff with an OR of just 105. He's probably run above that but Lambourn has only given him a 6lbs beating with the run of the race.

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Desert Orchid said:
The media always big the race up; it's their job, as you know.
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I do, but it included a few of the remaining veterans who ought to know better.

I'll certainly be interested to see how the form works out - as always.

I'd imagine connections of a few Chester Vase runners are getting a bit excited. 😂
 
Mating Australia with American speed has produced a daring result.
I believe Australia was available for 10k this year, a bargain surely.
A major change in going can give unsatisfactory results, Godolphin did right by staying at home.
 
edgt said:
Mating Australia with American speed has produced a daring result.
I believe Australia was available for 10k this year, a bargain surely.
A major change in going can give unsatisfactory results, Godolphin did right by staying at home.
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Yes I have just been looking at the pedigree. Dam was second in the Queen Mary - otherwise it's not overly inspiring. Going back through the recent years, its disappointing when a third string wins for whatever reason. But it does devalue it from a stallion point of view. Or is that because breeders just aren't using Derby winners any more? Be interested to hear your take on it.

Yes Godolphin totally did the right thing. Delacroix I hope will bounce back after this.
 
edgt said:
Mating Australia with American speed has produced a daring result.
I believe Australia was available for 10k this year, a bargain surely.
A major change in going can give unsatisfactory results, Godolphin did right by staying at home.
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Remains a sire of horrible horses.
 
I suppose Australia's stud record isn't that bad.

On best RPRs:

Broome 121
Order Of Australia 120
Sir Ron Priestley 120
Point Lonsdale 119

I'll be surprised if Lambourn is better than them, though.

Just reinforces one of my old man's mantras - better to be lucky than good. Lambourn was lucky to end up in a Derby of milers.
 
I shall remind you of this when he's made all in two Arcs like Alleged, Maurice. 😂

No, I don't think it's particularly likely either. 😂

I'd imagine they'd love to win a 1m2f Group 1 with him, but that might be easier said than done.
 


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